When in doubt just sue!!!!!

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This is why our country is going to the dogs! *********, no matter how stupid, won't be held responsible for their own actions :mad:
 

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What a load of crap. As soon as he admitted he had been drinking, he shouldve been arrested and have the key thrown away. And just because he cant handle a exotic car, he gets to sue Dodge too? Anyone who would drive a car drunk (i know the article doesnt say he was, but says he had been drinking) like this ***** are the ones who deserve to wreck and not survive. I have ABSOLUTELY NO compassion for people who drink and drive. The best type drunk driver is the one who leaves the scene under a sheet.
 

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When all of our Insurance rates go up accross the board (business,auto,homeowners,etc.). Dont blame the Insurance companies... Its guys like this who we all pay for... This really raises my blood pressure..
 

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Reminds me of a guy that was breaking into a house through the skylights in the kitchen of an upscale house. Fell through the skylights onto some rather large steak knives. Got hurt pretty badly, but recovered fully. He hired a lawyer and SUED the homeowner for medical expenses and pain and suffering. I believe the judgement, for the plaintiff, was around 1.5 million!!!! How can the lawyer who represented this guy sleep at night?
 

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Sounds like we need to find Douglas Dommel's email address along with his attorney's address. Bombard with emails....
 

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Sounds like we need to find Douglas Dommel's email address along with his attorney's address. Bombard with emails....

... so we can all be sued too....
 

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I am a products liabilty defense lawyer. I have defended even more frivolous suits than this one.


No doubt he will claim he knew nothing about the driving characteristics of a Viper (he just wanted a fun , safe sports car to drive on Sundays) . That he assumed it had traction control, active handling and all those other things that make Vettes "safe". His expert will say those technologies are clearly available and should have been on the car. That Dodge should have warned him this was a street race car and not to be a *******, get drunk, and drive recklessly, and hopefully they will find a jury with a room temperature IQ who will buy their absurd crap and award $$$$$.

The real hope is (and I have had this happen many times) is he and his lawyer will spend $$$$$ on the case, hire a bunch of consultants and experts and their experts will be disqualified by the judge before trial and they will lose their shirts, and maybe with a little bit of luck he sues his lawyer for malpractice . Of course even with this outcome Dodge spends $$ defending the case and under our system (unlike some other countries) can't be reimbursed for defending a meritless suit. Which is why your avg car would cost a lot less without all this nonsense.
 

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People have some nerve suing DC for rolling over their Viper in a one car accident. Too many people trying to get free lunch gives manufacturers, hospitals, and insurance companies an excuse to send prices sky high. :bonker:
All mega large institutions are just like oil companies fixing prices. :buttkick:

Viperdrummer, you don't really believe that the costs of manufacturing and litigation on exotic cars justify their high prices? I still am shocked that the price of a Coupe went to $90k just for having a roof added. If the Gen IV price gets far above $100k I will see a Viper in the same light as I see an Enzo or a Murcielago. They lack bang for the buck and are more a status symbol of the mega rich. No offense to those who own those cars as they are still awesome rides, that is my opinion on the pricing issue alone.
High prices on new cars are artificially high just like everything else. The Government will do nothing since extra tax revenue is generated by the litigation mentioned earlier and the higher prices that come later and then tax again for every resale.

As for me, I will drive my dream car sober, save my money whenever possible, and live happily ever after.
 

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Venomaholic:

I am gonna guess your favorite show is "60 Minutes", and you believe there are all sorts of devices available that would make cars get 80 miles to the gallon , but those evil manufacturers keep buying them off or maybe putting them in Lake Michigan.

When you have spare time, do the numbers on a low production Viper, which is essentially hand made by the highest paid union workers, add in overhead including litigation costs (I was once involved in a case where the jury awarded $250,000,000 to the " victim") and tell me how much you make. Why the Viper doesen't cost $125,000 is the better question.

PS What are the "tax revenues" generated by liigation? Jury awards are not taxable.
 

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Venomaholic:

I am gonna guess your favorite show is "60 Minutes", and you believe there are all sorts of devices available that would make cars get 80 miles to the gallon , but those evil manufacturers keep buying them off or maybe putting them in Lake Michigan.

When you have spare time, do the numbers on a low production Viper, which is essentially hand made by the highest paid union workers, add in overhead including litigation costs (I was once involved in a case where the jury awarded $250,000,000 to the " victim") and tell me how much you make. Why the Viper doesen't cost $125,000 is the better question.

PS What are the "tax revenues" generated by liigation? Jury awards are not taxable.

No disrespect meant viperdrummer. I did not know that Jury awards were not taxable. We see eye to eye that frivolous lawsuits hurt us all. I just believe that corporations don't really get hurt as bad overall as believed. I don't believe that union workers on the Viper assembly line make that much more than those on the Neon line though.

My distrust of corporations comes from personal experience. 12 years ago, after college, I worked for Xerox. Xerox just got through firing almost the entire direct sales force and sold through authorized Xerox sales agencies to save money on wages and benefits. I was a temp that took inbound sales leads nationwide for $5k-$200k machines and sent thes leads to the agencies. Long story short, the consumer was dealing with less trained agents and often had a difficult time buying a copier even if they knew the exact model they wanted. This was one of many reasons Xerox stock took a dive.

Not too much later , working at UPS, it was time to renew our union contract. The company was bent on taking full control of the pension fund and benefits fund from the Teamsters Union. There always has been a board of trustees from both UPS and the Teamsters overseeing the fund. Needless to say they wanted to raid profits from those funds as well as make the company balance sheet grow and make the stock (before it became public) climb. That resulted in a 2.5 week long strike that crippled the US economy.

My best friend works on the Corvette plant in Bowling Green, KY and is mad that GM blames worker wages and benefits as the reason they are not doing well. It is the bad product decisions from upper management that have caused GM stock to lower.

If you ever want to see another example of monopolistic abuse of pricing, ask a college student today how much the required books cost.
 

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And how about Billy Shoemaker?

He got drunk, rolled his Ford Bronco down an embankment while not wearing a seatbelt and suffered severe spinal cord injuries resulting in quadriplegia. He then sued Ford for a defective product, sued the state of California for lack of guardrails, and sued every doctor and medical facility that saved his miserable life. All this from a jockey that won millions in his career yet was on the verge of bankruptcy? ***???

He won some suits and lost others. Meanwhile his lawyers and he made off with the cash while the rest of us pay for it through various means. :mad:

I wouldn't mind being on a jury in such a case. There is NO WAY that I would ever allow the "victim" to get one penny!


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DC123DF934A3575BC0A965958260

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DC1439F933A15751C0A965958260

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And how about Billy Shoemaker?


Law enforcement officials contemplated filing drunken driving charges against Shoemaker, but decided not to do so because of the severity of his injuries.

And since he wasn't charged, I bet they were not allowed to bring it up in court.

Ohhh, and the real story of Kimberly Bergalis is far from the sweet little innocent ******. I saw a copy of her deposition.
 

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When dirt bag lawyer become Judges.............................

Let him sue, but he has give up his drivers license for the rest of his life.
 

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I dont think that would solve anything. I'm willing to bet atleast 1/2 of the drunks out there dont have licenses anyway b/c they lost them before in DUI convictions but they still drive and endanger everyone else's life. If I ever get hit by a drunk and live, he better hope he's dead on impact or he's just gonna wish he was
 

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Law enforcement officials contemplated filing drunken driving charges against Shoemaker, but decided not to do so because of the severity of his injuries.

Unless he's dead why werent charges pressed???? :evilmad: :curse: I dont care how hurt he got, if he was DUI, HE DESERVED IT (he deserved much worse actually).
 

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Don't blame the stupid driver! Or his dollar bedazzled lawyer! Blame the idiotic judge who didn't throw the case away! This country has more idiots per square mile than I care to count.
 

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Don't get me wrong here, I don't think the guy should get anything from anyone just because he rolled a Viper.

But just think about it guys, this car is not your average car. They get away from fairly good drivers all the time.
Vipers have a long history of being wrecked by people taking a short joy ride.
It is not an average car.
I've always wondered how the manufacturer can get away with selling a car like this to just any clown that comes in the door.

In this day and age, with 24 stickers on an aluminum steplader and a lawnmower that has a warning about sticking your hand under it while it's running.....
How can DC sell a car that is prone to loss of control?
And please don't tell me it isn't.
How many tales have we heard about these cars being wrecked on a short demo drive, authorized or not?

Now don't come back with any crap about people should take more care or that they should know what they are doing when they drive.

You guys know what will happen if you just step on the gas pedal of a Viper the way you could step on the gas in some ordinary car.

I'm wondering why DC isn't in court all the time from single car Viper wrecks.

And again.....
Don't get me wrong here, I don't think the guy should get anything from anyone just because he rolled a Viper.
 

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I agree Joe but another point is that people need to take responsiblity for their OWN actions and not try to pawn them off on others. Prime example: Remember a couple of years ago when that lady went through the drive thru at Mcdonalds and got a cup of coffee? She spills it, burns her legs and sues Mcdonalds for millions...........AND WINS!! Something is wrong with this country when **** like that happens.
 

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Oh God, not the McDonald's analogy again! This is one of the great urban myths, and a better example of the lousy media which ultimately never tells the whole story.


Ironically, there are 100s of examples of frivolous suits ( I have defended dozens over the years), but the infamous McDonald's suit is not one of the better ones, but the one everyone points to. The 79 yr old woman did NOT get " millions" from McDonalds. By way of background the evidence showed they were at the time serving extremely hot coffee ,(they have since lowered temp) she spilled it in her groin area, spent 8 days in the hospital with 3rd degree burns over 6% of body and offered to settle for her med costs.

The case proceeded (rightly or wrongly) to trial with a jury finding Mac 80% at fault and the woman 20% at fault, thus her $200,000 award was reduced to $160k. The jury also awarded----and this is where our system is out of control $2.9M in punitive damages, but the Judge reduced that amount to $480K and it was settled on appeal, I suspect for much less than that. I would guess that once her lawyers, experts etc were paid and expenses were paid she saw less than 6 figures. It was a dumb lawsuit all the way around, but every day much more ridiculous ones are filed.


The really irksome cases that are being trotted out against Mac and others are the obesity cases ie " I ate your food and got fat" If they start winning those it is the end of civilization as we know it.
 
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