Ned-
You and I both know there is more to the stories than you are telling, and/or other instances that you are ignoring, or maybe dont even know about. I am aware of multiple people who have had issues, a couple of them local, and one of them right in this thread. The fact remains, every single Viper you guys have touched that I have seen personally is a basket-case in some way, and I have also heard of a number of other problematic examples that I have no first hand experience with. Please do not try and act like you have a stellar reputation; all I used to do is sweep up the messes from all of the shops in Ontario when I dealt with the canadian club.
If you have straightened out the way you build cars since then, more power to you. I deal with very few Canadians these days, so I cannot comment on anything over the last year or so, but the older packages and builds were very problematic, and lacked quality and attention to detail from whoever did the assembly.
Thank you for the commentary that you have presented, I have a much better understanding about your lack of knowledge and your misinterpretation of details.
Now please allow me to give you a Neducation about your unwarranted and inaccurate statements.
I believe that people who make false accusations and inaccurate statements about other peoples businesses need to present some facts, especially if the intent is malicious, slanderous and insulting.
In cases like this my line of logic is to provide an education so that lessons can be learned in an effort to prevent mistakes like this from being repeated again. If the education does not provide a lesson for you to learn a few relevant facts, then at least other viewers on this forum will have the opportunity to evaluate the information that I provided so that they can make up there own minds about the subject matter that you initiated and distributed onto this forum.
It is obvious that you do not know what we do or understand the magnitude of our capabilities, so let me explain that we design, develop and build competition racing engines that set records and win races.
Our business was initiated after a NHRA drag racing event that we competed in, at the Dallas Motorplex in 1991, as my partner Serge was the crew chief for an NHRA Pro Stock team that toured the NHRA Pro Stock circuit and he was involved with the development and building of NHRA Pro Stock engines. I think it is important for you to understand that NHRA Pro Stock has the highest level of engine technology for Mopar, Chevy and Ford engines.
We have also been in business for 18 years and we build Mopar, Ford and Chevy engines that deliver race winning performances in actual race competition. Now since we are on a Viper forum let’s just deal with some of the more relevant Mopar engines. We currently have three Mopar R3 blocks that are under construction, which are small block Mopar LA race engines blocks, if you can find one. We currently have a record for fastest nitrous oxide injected 340 Duster, an A body Duster that ran a 7.8 second quarter mile time with my ported W7 Mopar heads. I have a video of this orange Duster, which is on our web site running an 8.0 second ET from one side of the drag strip to the other. In effect, it travels more than a quarter mile to run the 8.0 ET.
The 2nd R3 block engine is being developed for a Procharger F2 blower that is expected to make over 2000 hp, if the block is capable. Last year we developed a small block Ford engine that made over 1800 hp and we know that this Mopar W8 head that we developed with intake flow at 408 cfm and exhaust flow at 324 cfm will make more power than the Ford we developed previously. The 3rd R3 block is being developed for a set of W9RP heads that I had specially machined at Chapman racing to accommodate a 2.30 intake valve diameter. These heads are currently developed by me to flow 458 cfm through the intake port and the development work is not yet completed. We expect to produce over 1000 hp, naturally aspirated, with this small block Mopar race engine.
I won’t mention the four 440 engines and the B engines that we are currently building since the small block LA engines are the only engines from the LA engine family, which is what the Viper motor is based on. We were very humored when we first saw the 340 connecting rods that were installed in the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Viper engines by Dodge, since we have been playing with these since the 1970’s.
So my point is that we build competition Mopar LA racing engines that are at the leading edge of race technology and the Viper engine is based on the small block Mopar LA engine family.
Now in reference to our Viper engines, it is important for you to understand that I have videos of our Viper engines running very well on youtube and documentation of great track times on our web site. So we have facts that clearly demonstrate the great performance of our Viper engines after we modify the engines. The key phrase is “after we modify the engines”.
In reference to your remarks about fixing our engines, you have fixed nothing that I know of since those heads and engines have come back to us for extensive repairs after they were at your facility. This is something that you obviously do not know, which is why we are continuing with this lengthy education. The fact is these heads were returned to us after they went to your facility, so who fixed what? We fixed heads that were extensively damaged, requiring all new valve train components and we certainly did not cause this damage.
Now let’s go back to the key phrase “after we modify the engine”. Unfortunately, some of our customers decide to have other tuners work on their Vipers after we set the engine up and almost always the engines have some sort of failure. Then they decide to get yet another engine builder involved to rebuild the engines and machine the heads and in some cases when other shops know that it is a RT head, they decide to re port our heads to claim that they did the porting work, in a futile effort to make the Viper run faster.
So the fact is that at least two Vipers that you think had our head work did not have our product, at least not in the condition that we developed. You worked on Vipers that had heads modified by someone else and assembled by someone else.
Simple logic dictates that Vipers which deliver exceptional performance, as documented by many facts, on my web site and on youtube do not have the problems that you are outlining here.
Viper engine work that you are referencing does not set performance records which we have the proven reputation to deliver. Our work is really technologically advanced and most tuners are unable to re-install our valve-train components, since it is very different from stock. Then our camshafts get the blame, the same camshafts that set track records with no engine problems are now determined to be a problem. Where is the logic? Who is actually qualified to make this assessment?
This is why I am generating this lengthy correspondence, so that Viper owners who read these ridiculous remarks, made by people like you; need to better evaluate the hard cold Viper facts. The people they are going to get our engines re modified by are not delivering better performance than what we provide. These engines continue to sustain failures after work is performed at other shops and the shop blame game is to always blame someone else. The logic in this is to obviously make money, tell a tall tale and charge the customer a lot of money and tell them that much work had to be performed to fix our engine. The same Viper engine that originally delivered the best performance is now a big problem. Where is the logic in this?
The fact is that I have numerous correspondences from proud Viper owners sent to me to advise of track records being set with our Viper engine modifications, international races being won with our Gen 3 engines and how our Gen 2 Viper Phase 4 engine modifications out perform the new Gen 4 Vipers on the track. So I think it is important to present these facts which are never mentioned. Why not look at the youtube videos and our web site to see the performance that we really deliver.
The fact is that there are tuners and engine builders that try to build Viper engines that make big mistakes, we see this all the time and two of the craziest problems that we witnessed were from Vipers that attended your facility, but we are not blaming you for the problems.
We are not playing the blame game, just establishing logical facts, which dictate that you can not deliver great performance, as we do, with bad engine modifications. That’s just a simple fact of V10 Viper life.
In conclusion, we developed cylinder head modifications and custom camshafts for Viper engines that provided outstanding performance. Then other shop owners claim that they can deliver better performance and claim to know better and they proceed to ruin our customer’s engines. These engines are no longer equipped with our product, so stop trying to blame us for these failures.
We all see that it is easy to be critical when watching presidential politics. So when people play politics in our business I want to know where are the facts to support these claims of being able to provide better performance than what we do for naturally aspirated Viper engines.
Who has a Gen 2 Viper engine that runs 11.1 sec ET’s at 129 mph with a stock crank rods and pistons on a stock wheel and radial tire?
Who has a Gen 3 Viper engine that makes 541 RWHP with stock crank, rods and pistons and stock rockers in a Viper truck?
Who develops Gen 4 heads and lower intake to work on a Gen 3 Viper engine that makes over 700 hp, which is more power than most modified Gen 4 engines?
That is what we really do, which is not easy to do.
These are the real facts about our Viper engines.
Ned
