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jtvr4, first you talk about the vr4 than the z06. what the [******] is your problem, tell me where your at and I can arrange a viper with less hp to spank your tired ass vr-4. Vr-4 are out, maybe 12 years ago they were fast. So go back to your vr4 forums and man learn how to drive your viper, you're giving us a bad name.
 

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Yes the new z06 will **** the [******] out of a 95 viper. Care to explain how im wrong?? Id love to hear it.

Well all I have to say about this one is: it only took the vette 9-10 years to be able to beat a 9 year old car! We should be in awe at the great marvel that is the vette. NOT!! :cool:
 

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JTVR4, I think your $ figure is a little low. You don't even have upgraded intercoolers? Fuel systems are that cheap? Just the injectors for my old Supra were way more than that. 28 psi on stock internals? I find it hard to believe that you could run that for a long period of time before going kaboom! 800hp with stock internals? Show me a good number of VR4's that have done that reliably (Supras yes, VR4's ????). I just don't think the VR4 is a good platform for overall performance, never has and never will be. With all of the VR4's out there, how come I don't see ANY competing with Supras or RX7's for either hp, drag times, or anything else for that matter?

Stock intercoolers are fine. Injectors were used 720cc. Fuel pump is only $100 walbro, hotwire kit $35. Matt Monett who has a viper ran stock internals on his 10sec car vr4. www.dynamicracing.com even shows a vid of him beating his modded viper. He has never had a problem for YEARS and no tranny problems

Head over to 3si.org People are pushing 488-650whp on stock internals just fine. The only reason the vr4 never ran fast times is the production dates. 91-99. The rx7, supra, and 300zx were made for 20+ years. The vr4 is just now getting a good aftermarket. About time. Every week someone is making 500awhp now. If you pay for some tuiner kit that you have to just bolt on, then yes its about 9k. Peice it together yourself, and turn your own wrench. Then its about 8k max.

As for racing the vr4 took pikes peak runs 2 years in a row breaking all records, the only 2 years it was in the climb. It also placed in the top 5 in the JGTC races for all 4 years. With less power and more weight. Last year a stealth took its class win in the scca.

To sum this up. No my $$ figure is not low. People run dual 14b's they pick up for $100 used. I paid $950 for my turbo's. I could have gone cheaper. If one would look around more they would see the vr4 becoming about as cheap as a DSM to mod. Now with plates, and headers we can use the same parts. :cool:

I could post a link of a few guys running 27+psi to 35psi. With no problems. Just stay away from knock and use c16. Your fine. I take it some of you guys cant change your own oil from the lack of knowledge here. :rolleyes: Thanks for telling about a car you know nothing about. Makes you look real smart.
 

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Who gives a [******] about climbing mountains, bring it to the real races and see what happens. I got a snake with the same power as you vr4 and ran 11.1@133 on street tires. I really, really doubt that car is that fast. If these guys are building these amazing cars you're talking about, how come we don't see them in any main events. There is nothing special about a high-powered vr4 that runs 12's, maybe high 11's.
 

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JTVR4, I think your $ figure is a little low. You don't even have upgraded intercoolers? Fuel systems are that cheap? Just the injectors for my old Supra were way more than that. 28 psi on stock internals? I find it hard to believe that you could run that for a long period of time before going kaboom! 800hp with stock internals? Show me a good number of VR4's that have done that reliably (Supras yes, VR4's ????). I just don't think the VR4 is a good platform for overall performance, never has and never will be. With all of the VR4's out there, how come I don't see ANY competing with Supras or RX7's for either hp, drag times, or anything else for that matter?

Stock intercoolers are fine. Injectors were used 720cc. Fuel pump is only $100 walbro, hotwire kit $35. Matt Monett who has a viper ran stock internals on his 10sec car vr4. www.dynamicracing.com even shows a vid of him beating his modded viper. He has never had a problem for YEARS and no tranny problems

Head over to 3si.org People are pushing 488-650whp on stock internals just fine. The only reason the vr4 never ran fast times is the production dates. 91-99. The rx7, supra, and 300zx were made for 20+ years. The vr4 is just now getting a good aftermarket. About time. Every week someone is making 500awhp now. If you pay for some tuiner kit that you have to just bolt on, then yes its about 9k. Peice it together yourself, and turn your own wrench. Then its about 8k max.

As for racing the vr4 took pikes peak runs 2 years in a row breaking all records, the only 2 years it was in the climb. It also placed in the top 5 in the JGTC races for all 4 years. With less power and more weight. Last year a stealth took its class win in the scca.

To sum this up. No my $$ figure is not low. People run dual 14b's they pick up for $100 used. I paid $950 for my turbo's. I could have gone cheaper. If one would look around more they would see the vr4 becoming about as cheap as a DSM to mod. Now with plates, and headers we can use the same parts. :cool:

I could post a link of a few guys running 27+psi to 35psi. With no problems. Just stay away from knock and use c16. Your fine. I take it some of you guys cant change your own oil from the lack of knowledge here. :rolleyes: Thanks for telling about a car you know nothing about. Makes you look real smart.





Your a TROLL. Go back to the rice sites and stay out of here. :mad: Nobody gives and *** about your vr4 or anything else you say you have.
 

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lol this is to funny. Its like I hurt your ego's. I guess Matt's stealth really pissed you guys off.

Ive got to be the most laid back viper owner, maybe that will change ive only had it for a week. I can see you punching your monitors. So is everyone here have a small man complex? As for main events, we have car at nopi. Not sure what it ran. Prolly low 11's high 10's. I see more f-bodies at drag events. Using your piss poor logic, you should buy buy one of them.

2manytoys: You say you own a BMW, so does that make you a ****? lol. You got a German car, you freakin ****....

This is to much fun. Ill just sit back and watch the comments fly. All this over me saying that just because a car is from Japan doesnt mean your a ricer. Or that the STI would spank a viper on an autocross and that the new z06 will **** a viper. Wow, so any of those untrue??? Didnt think so.

I was told to stay away from these forums, now I know why.

http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=231130&page=1&pp=10

You guys can fume over this for awhile. His turbo's were $100 per. Used off a 91-94 DSM. My evo's are MUCH bigger. He ran a high 11 before tuning. The car should haul ass now. :usa:
 

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WHERE IS YOUR DYNO SHEET????? ENOUGH SAID......


ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL TALK TYPICAL RICER
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NOT SOME SPEED SHOPS DYNOSHEET OR A BS LINK

WHERE IS YOUR DYNO SHEET?

VD..
 
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jtvr4,
are you known as "weedman" over at the ricer site? because that is who submitted those results. Anyhow "weedman" who ever he is, seems to be quite a hero over there, so perhaps the Weedman should hang out there. Does an enthusiast(as your title states) own a viper or are you just trying to stir the ***? By the way, don't put too many miles on that ricer, it's destined to become a motoring classic (haha)
Next time I am in Mullhouse I will demand to see the curator, and ask why the heck they don't have a vr4 on display.
 

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VIPER D: Next best thing to a sheet, a video. ill let you burn for awhile before I host it again. Hell I could post a dyno sheet of anything, would you believe me? Or I could post a vid of any TT dyno. This is the internet. For all you know I might not have anything. Same goes for you. You want my VIN numbers too?

No, im not weedman. He uses the DSM 14b turbo's. I use EVO3 16g's. Much larger turbine amoung many other things.

I could careless if mullhouse has anything. I dont judge cars based on rarity or what some guy thinks is cool. If I did the viper wouldnt even be on the list. Do they have an ae86, DSM, zr-1, fd3s, motorsport 350? I enjoy most sports cars. I have an open mind. I dont shove my nose at it because its made overseas. Then put on my viper shirt and go put around town and brag how I spent 2k on headers then another $100 for simple "tubes" or what movie star owns one.

Weedman isnt a "hero" he's just the first of few to tune a 14b car. I think he's using piggybacks in place of an AEM. Someone just made 64xawhp and posted about it. I think he was running 30psi stock internals. Every week someone is about to break 500whp it seems. For less money then these 500whp tuner packages for the viper.

Im going to try and sell the 95 for 32k. I only paid 27k for it from my father and their resale is going down. If not ill end up making most my parts to mod it. Id feel stupid paying these high prices for something I could make for 80% less.

As for me putting miles on my cars. They have 4 wheels, and a motor. Their made to drive, not sit and collect dust. Its not a picture, I drive them and I drive them hard. When they break I fix them. I never let the stealership touch my cars. I will admit I dont drive the viper that often, it drinks the gas faster then I can put it in. Then again its due to my lead foot.

http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=230965&page=1&pp=10
10.7 trapped over 130. Street tires, and full wieght. 640awhp. Thats over 800 crank hp. Stock internals. Stock block.
 

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VIPER D: Next best thing to a sheet, a video. ill let you burn for awhile before I host it again. Hell I could post a dyno sheet of anything, would you believe me? Or I could post a vid of any TT dyno. This is the internet. For all you know I might not have anything. Same goes for you. You want my VIN numbers too?


typical ricer talk backpeddling bs, No a dyno sheet is a dyno sheet, if i want to see a video I would go rent one. where I come from a dyno sheet has a shops name and phone number and a name of a client. (can be checked out)


Just like I thought all bs. I made my point you probally have a loud muffler and a intake and blowoff and think you have 500 hp just like you think your stock motor can handle 800 hp. all good in ricer land but in the viper world we know better here,,, here people actually go out and DYNO cars and get real results.

put the pipe down. crack kills

vd..

and please keep the bs down don't make foolish statements unless you can back them up with proof.

here you go again take a good look i know you have never seen this in the ricer boards a real dyno sheet
6400viper_d_no_bull_dyno_sheet_674-med.jpg
 

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VIPER D: Next best thing to a sheet, a video. ill let you burn for awhile before I host it again. Hell I could post a dyno sheet of anything, would you believe me? Or I could post a vid of any TT dyno. This is the internet. For all you know I might not have anything. Same goes for you. You want my VIN numbers too?

No, im not weedman. He uses the DSM 14b turbo's. I use EVO3 16g's. Much larger turbine amoung many other things.

I could careless if mullhouse has anything. I dont judge cars based on rarity or what some guy thinks is cool. If I did the viper wouldnt even be on the list. Do they have an ae86, DSM, zr-1, fd3s, motorsport 350? I enjoy most sports cars. I have an open mind. I dont shove my nose at it because its made overseas. Then put on my viper shirt and go put around town and brag how I spent 2k on headers then another $100 for simple "tubes" or what movie star owns one.

Weedman isnt a "hero" he's just the first of few to tune a 14b car. I think he's using piggybacks in place of an AEM. Someone just made 64xawhp and posted about it. I think he was running 30psi stock internals. Every week someone is about to break 500whp it seems. For less money then these 500whp tuner packages for the viper.

Im going to try and sell the 95 for 32k. I only paid 27k for it from my father and their resale is going down. If not ill end up making most my parts to mod it. Id feel stupid paying these high prices for something I could make for 80% less.

As for me putting miles on my cars. They have 4 wheels, and a motor. Their made to drive, not sit and collect dust. Its not a picture, I drive them and I drive them hard. When they break I fix them. I never let the stealership touch my cars. I will admit I dont drive the viper that often, it drinks the gas faster then I can put it in. Then again its due to my lead foot.

http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=230965&page=1&pp=10
10.7 trapped over 130. Street tires, and full wieght. 640awhp. Thats over 800 crank hp. Stock internals. Stock block.



Leave this site TROLL :mad:
 

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lol, aww did I hurt your feelings? Aww.... you can stew some more. Does baby need his belly rubbed? Can baby not read links very good?

I hope your viper gets you chicks, because your face doesnt help you much. Ouch!

Get more pissed, pleased. im dying here. So whats your name and what shop did you goto? How do I know thats your dyno sheet? Yout tq freakin dies off pretty early. You use NOS?

Their is only a few (4) awd dyno's that support the AEM and the vr4. My name is John Trout. Ill let you do the leg work. Ill even give you a region if you ask kindly. You might even find their website with me on it! lol Hint: look up Unichip and youll see mine with 9b turbo's with 359whp. Intake, and borla catback.

Kind of like hot and cold, this is fun. You will find it I have faith in you! I could post my fathers dyno of the 95 stock.... but I wont. HA!
 

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jtvr4,

Seriously man, no one is getting mad. We get this stuff over here all the time. When you (the Viper) are the measuring stick to which everyone aspires, haters are abundant. To be honest, no one really cares about a modified VR4 beating a stock Viper at the dragstrip. Heavily modified Civic's could kick the sh*t out of a stock Viper. My buddy owned a 1994 VR4-TT that I have driven many times, and they are not bad cars for straights and cruising. But to be brutally honest, I don't even consider them sports cars. They have tons of body roll, zero steering feedback, and push very bad in the corners. The brakes are so-so, and overheat very quickly. Could you fix these problems with tons of mods? Maybe, but it is not a good platform to start with if your looking to compete against Vipers/Z06/911TT etc... And for the price you can get one for, you would not expect them to be in this league, which they aren't.

Again, in all honesty, you sound like a Viper hater, not a Viper owner. Or should I say Viper envy? It's great you are proud of your VR4, but why try and trash another make? I could go on to tell you we have modified Vipers running in the 8's, and others that are TOTALLY streatable and docile (until you hit the gas) that are trapping at 150MPH++ in the 9's through the stock clutch and 6-speed. But why bother? And here's the kicker... They are not drag only cars and can kick major **** at a road course. Did I also mention one of our members kicked the sh*t out of national competitors in an autocross where all makes competed? These types of stories are the norm, not the exception.

If you really do own a Gen I Viper, may I suggest a $1,000 nitrous kit, exhaust, and proper tuning. That could put you in the 10's if you don't want to spend big bucks. Want 10's and power all the time, talk to Sean Roe. Twin Screw S/C with put you there for $7,500. Or if money is not a problem, the sky is the limit with many great tuners we have working for us.

In closing, 'stop the hate'. Any one of us could sell our Vipers and buy 5 TT VR4's. Heck, some guys here spend 10 g's on tires/rims, which is the price a used VR4 can be had for... Get real bro...
 

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jtvr4,

Seriously man, no one is getting mad. We get this stuff over here all the time. When you (the Viper) are the measuring stick to which everyone aspires, haters are abundant. To be honest, no one really cares about a modified VR4 beating a stock Viper at the dragstrip. Heavily modified Civic's could kick the sh*t out of a stock Viper. My buddy owned a 1994 VR4-TT that I have driven many times, and they are not bad cars for straights and cruising. But to be brutally honest, I don't even consider them sports cars. They have tons of body roll, zero steering feedback, and push very bad in the corners. The brakes are so-so, and overheat very quickly. Could you fix these problems with tons of mods? Maybe, but it is not a good platform to start with if your looking to compete against Vipers/Z06/911TT etc... And for the price you can get one for, you would not expect them to be in this league, which they aren't.

Again, in all honesty, you sound like a Viper hater, not a Viper owner. Or should I say Viper envy? It's great you are proud of your VR4, but why try and trash another make? I could go on to tell you we have modified Vipers running in the 8's, and others that are TOTALLY streatable and docile (until you hit the gas) that are trapping at 150MPH++ in the 9's through the stock clutch and 6-speed. But why bother? And here's the kicker... They are not drag only cars and can kick major **** at a road course. Did I also mention one of our members kicked the sh*t out of national competitors in an autocross where all makes competed? These types of stories are the norm, not the exception.

If you really do own a Gen I Viper, may I suggest a $1,000 nitrous kit, exhaust, and proper tuning. That could put you in the 10's if you don't want to spend big bucks. Want 10's and power all the time, talk to Sean Roe. Twin Screw S/C with put you there for $7,500. Or if money is not a problem, the sky is the limit with many great tuners we have working for us.

In closing, 'stop the hate'. Any one of us could sell our Vipers and buy 5 TT VR4's. Heck, some guys here spend 10 g's on tires/rims, which is the price a used VR4 can be had for... Get real bro...





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"Head over to 3si.org People are pushing 488-650whp on stock internals just fine. The only reason the vr4 never ran fast times is the production dates. 91-99. The rx7, supra, and 300zx were made for 20+ years. The vr4 is just now getting a good aftermarket. About time. Every week someone is making 500awhp now."

I once saw a go cart with a blown 350 V8 on it. It even had a simplified version of AWD. It could run circles around any car out there. And I wouldn't want it, either...
 

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Again jtvr4, why is there noooooo VR4's competing with Supras in major import events. You state at Nopi that car will probably run high 10's/low 11's second timeslips. Sorry, I said competing with others in the same class. Supras and RX7's were doing 10's years ago. They are in the 9's now on boost only. As far as JGTC, Toyotas have dominated that series. I just looked at 2004 points standings and 7 of the top 10 belong to Supras. Maybe the Mitsu is in another class or something, I don't know, but please show me.

As for the comment about Supras being around longer, the latest version of the MK4 engine came out 2 years after the VR4 so don't give me that BS. Face it, VR4's are just an inferior car in the import and domestic car world, that's all.
 

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I envied VR-4 owners back in the early 90's when I was in high school and had a modded Eagle Talon. Since then I've also had two 12 second twin-turbo Supras and loved both. I have respect for anyone who fixes up their car(their pride and joy) and makes it into the car they love.
I now own a 2000 Viper GTS and it is definitely my favorite regardless how fast it is. Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to mod it. A Viper is on a whole different level and shows a certain degree of success. Most people drive Hondas, or Mitsu's because that is what is affordable for them.
In the Viper I've never seen so many heads turn when you go by. Maybe this also happens when a sti or Civic goes by, I've just never noticed.

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You know......When I get beat by some Mitsu or Honda or Toyota or even a Chevy, all I can say is that I get to drive home in a Viper...even if its a loser :)
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I never understand ricers...You spend x amount of dollars on your car to finally beat a stock Viper and then they declare the Viper a slow piece of shyte... :rolleyes:

It just boggles the mind to understand that type of thinking...If a "stock" high 11, low 12 car[Viper] is a "piece" of shyte to you then logically your 14 second VR4 is a "PILE" of shyte.....Please stop the madness...
 

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Please read this whole thread again, eyes open and viper hat off. Where did I say the Viper was total [******]? I wouldnt have one if it was [******]. Did you forget im the ricer...because I own a vr4 also. I guess im a frecnchy now because I own a nissan too. Dear god I have a dodge, mitsubishi, and a nissan. Damn I even said the viper was a better drag car. Reading skills arent up to par, c'mon people.

This thread has been tons of fun. How could you buy 5 vr4's if you sell a Viper? Maybe junked out 91's ones. Then again I could buy a junked out Viper for cheap too. I only paid 27k for a low mile 95 Viper. Its not freakin gold.

Remember your great members jumped my ass for a harmless turthfull post. God forbid I ever turn into a "TRUE" viper owner. The mentality here is so closed minded. Its know wonder everyone said this forum was full of little *****. Id goto viperally but people say its worse there. Can't imagine.

So in the end where did I say the viper was sh#t? Plese show me simps. as for a vr4 being a 14sec car. Maybe in your dreams. Low 13's, some have ran 12.9. Go look.

This is to fun and to easy. I bet you goons think the NSX is horse sh#t too. LOL. This forum should be called the little men forums.

Snakebitten = ********, learn to read *****. Cant imagine how you could afford a viper. Rich wife? 72 month loan? ha! Talk about logic. You didnt even read this thread before you posted. Are you all this stupid?

So when you guys lose a race do you flip off the other guy? Then scream "my car is a Viper!" Or do you cry? I can only imagine.
 

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Snakebitten = ********, learn to read *****. Cant imagine how you could afford a viper. Rich wife? 72 month loan? ha! Talk about logic. You didnt even read this thread before you posted. Are you all this stupid?

First off I dont own a Viper. I own a Benz but love Vipers hence the enthusiast under my name. And I cant be ******** since I dont own a VR4 ;) I wasnt totally refering to you with the ricer comment though it did come out that way...I read a thread on another forum about this same VR4 vs Viper and I guess I was in the same frame of mind when I posted.

However, with comments like this: "an 8.0 making 400hp+ isnt that great. In fact its not good at all." and you are wondering why you're not getting a good reception on a VIPER site??

Im sensing alot of pent up rage in you. Attacking people with name calling etc....maybe its from VR4's not getting respect etc...Its just a car man..Get a girl and chill out. Lifes more than a car...
 

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It can't be that nice for 27k. I would end this post guys. This retard probably makes minimum wage at McDonalds and has a model of a Viper. I'd hate life too.
Any ***** knows a vr-4 runs 14's. Again, a Viper just like a Rolex stands for success. If I worked at McDonalds I'd drive a vr-4 with a coffee can on my muffler and tell everyone it had 500hp also!

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JTVR4, Do us all a favor a sell your viper if you have one at all. If you don't I can understand why you have no idea what your talking about. I you do have a viper its obvious you don't know what to do with it. Don't say you can run in the 10's if you haven't, the respect on this forum comes from people that have proven 10's and 9's over and over again with reliability. Let me repeat reliability. I have seen a mazda miata run high 10's, I have seen a vr4 run mid 10's. Not reliable cars. However, what makes Viper a God given gift is that we have members that own and drive their cars to the track with the A/C on and run in the 9's and still get 21 mpg. You can shoot off your mouth about ricers with 800 hp but what you don't know is that vipers with 800 to 1100 horsepower can hold up better, make more consistent runs with minimal breakdowns. Example: I will put the reliability of my clutch against your transfer case any day of the week. Let me explain how you are wrong about a new ZO6 kicking a 95 vipers ass. A 95 viper with headers and a vec1 and smooth tubes(only $2500 in bolt on's) will kick the sh** out of new ZO6. It will still kick the sh** out of a new ZO6 if the ZO6 had intake, headers and a chip. I have seen the kill over and over again with a friends 93 viper. Yes the Z06 owner's are suprised and can't comprehend such as yourself. The ZO6 Badging does not work miracles unless it has power additives. Let's talk about price of these since you are so concerned with power vs. money. A new ZO6 is around what $50,000. You can buy a 95 Viper with under 10,000 miles at $45,000 do $2,500 in mods, kick the ZO6 in the ass and are able to do that under $50,000 in style. If your worried about money remember corvettes depreciate in value much faster than vipers. Before you get on the forum and talk sh** again, pull your head out of your ass so you can drive down the track and show us some time slips, also let us know what the expensive running tab will be on the numerous parts that the VR4 will eat up in comparison to the number of passes you make. Don't say what your car can do like some teenager at a local car show, either put up or shut up. Another lesson for you, the viper is a better drag car and a better road circuit car than the ricers you speak of. Viper won LeMan two years in a row. Go to the track like a big man and then get back to us. Try to remember that awd cars with high hp that are at the track go through transfer cases more often than when they are racing on the street. Save your money and go buy some.
 

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I'd say the average Viper owner on this site could get 35K - 80K+. We'll say 55K is the average (for-sale) price.

10K-15K is the range for a nice used VR4 I've seen (1994-1996). Maybe you overpaid? But these cars are fairly inexpensive on the used market. Not that I put much faith in Edmunds, but they say a 1996 with 60,000 miles in clean condition will fetch $11,000. I'd say that's about right from what I've seen. My buddy paid $15,000 5 years ago for his VR4 with 30,000 miles in PERFECT condition. I think he sold it for $13,000 with 45K and still perfect condition. So average-good examples can be had for 10-12K if you shop around. Therefore, 11 * 5 = $55,000. Again, get real bro...

P.S. - I did look.... I think you're times are a little off.... Here's what all the mags showed over the years. Sure, some goofball can post any time he wants to a website and claim his car is stock :rolleyes: , but these are the real figures the mags were able to achieve over the years. First # is 0-60, next is 1/4 mile.

1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.8 14.3
1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 14.0
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.7 14.2
1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.4 13.5
1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8 13.6
 
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