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    Told ya...

    what or whose comment are you referring to? I must have missed the "watered down" comment somewhere.
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    Told ya...

    Agree, well said. I find myself now going to the other site just as much and amazing the tone is completely different over there (like the old days). Its just a matter of time and this site will be crickets. (crickets that lead with post that say "I told ya") Saw it coming and did not renew...
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    Told ya...

    Are those really fair expectations. Last year of Viper was 2010, so even the newest prior model is 3yrs old. You don't expect it to drop in value over 30k in that timeframe? For me, if diff was 30k, would do an a heartbeat. heck would do for 40k in a heartbeat. Of course for even money or...
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    Told ya...

    You guys do realize only a couple 100 ACR's were sold/built during some of Vipers weakest sales period (Gen 4). You guys also realize that everyone wants to talk 0-60 and 1/4 mile for bragging, but the ACR was not better or faster in those areas, but a monster on the track. U also realize...
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    Told ya...

    wouldn't common sense suggest its 60K price tag and pent-up demand from its loyal followers? Seems pretty obvious really and in that price range, what else can compete with the vette? It really has that segment to itself. Not sure how that is related though to the 100-140k market he was...
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    CF Spoiler... YUM

    Looks so much better painted on a striped car as it allows the stripes to carry through. thanks for sharing that pic, first I had seen of one painted.
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    Two new TA articles

    Exactly. To think an even more track specific car than the GTS and SRT with a price point in the middle would have sold more??? I just say this as I was initially excited about the TA, but the more I looked, the less sense the TA makes compared to the other two models. Put the two mode...
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    Let's be real, what would it take? Only short answers please

    50% decent content, but then it gets lost in all the garbage when you mention mustang, Diesel, DOHC, and you instantly lose all credibility. All good to be a ford owner and enthusiast, but hopefully you own their best product (a pickup) and don't bank it to you modded stang... Come on now...
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    Let's be real, what would it take? Only short answers please

    I think you are changing the question completely because the minute you bring price into it, you then are looking to sell to a different demographic. So, I think that means the question is either 1) at this price range (100k-140k) what is required to sell more of the car? I think we were...
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    Traded in GTR for new Viper!

    completely agree. Car is in its element on the track. The one problem is it has exposed how boring driving one of these on the street is after you have experienced the track. That is why I must always laugh when I see folks wanting more HP. On the track, where skill is required, it is not...
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    Let's be real, what would it take? Only short answers please

    Completely agree!
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    Let's be real, what would it take? Only short answers please

    I think you need to read his post again. He definitely is direct, but the points are super valid. I don't think most on the forums are buyers or in the market. if they really were, they would have been to a dealer, sat in one, convinced their dealer to let them drive it, etc. thus his request...
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    Let's be real, what would it take? Only short answers please

    How man SC units were sold for the gen3 days? >100? Anyone know? I suspect a smaller # total.
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    Let's be real, what would it take? Only short answers please

    These threads always turn into an collection what people individually want. I thought the question from Mark was more about what is the key change needed to increase sales. So, to put this in a method where the answer is truly meaningful in regards to sales, I think of the following two...
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    Let's be real, what would it take? Only short answers please

    For me to buy, Convertible. For the masses, 8sp auto.
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    Viper production slowed by one third due to sluggish sales

    Respectfully, you might be describing yourself, but I don't think the masses. I don't believe buyers in the $110k-140k price range are too caught up with history/legacy, but instead go buy the item they believe best fits their needs. They might be caught up in the brand, but even that only...
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    Viper production slowed by one third due to sluggish sales

    Is that really a valid statement? By that I mean, how many totally GenV owners are even active on this forum? 20 or 30? 10 seems like a significant %. Remember, if they sold ~400 so far, just realize a very small % participate on forums. I still think trying to sell to existing viper...
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    Viper production slowed by one third due to sluggish sales

    I think you just tapped into it's primary problem, not having an automatic. Don't get me wrong, I love shifting, but lets look at some facts. >80% of vettes are automatics. Same for 911's and R8's. I had a friend of mine tell me two years ago a manual was both stupid and out of touch. I...
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    What can SRT engineers do to improve future Gen Vipers?

    I read this article recently that said the median corvette buyer is now 62yrs old. was 54yrs old 8yrs ago, which says the cars biggest problem is it now appeals to older folks. I suspect the Viper is not that much different. Interestingly, the median age for the 911 was in the low 40's. So...
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    What can SRT engineers do to improve future Gen Vipers?

    For me, I break it down into the two areas below: Items I specifically want: (personally, don't think they would increase the sales much, if at all) 1) better/bigger CF brakes 2) better tires 3) lower price 4) lose another 200lbs 5) dry sump 6) introduce the conv( which is really the main...
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    Please, stop bashing the gen v

    Aren't you proving my point? If you want a fast car, have a family and want to haul more than 1 around at a time, you are NOT in the market for a 2 seater, right? You were kidding yourself into thinking your were cross shopping, but you really weren't. That was my only point.
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    Please, stop bashing the gen v

    because you are comparing a 4 seater to a 2 seater. apples and oranges. Like I said, picture yourself seriously going to buy a corvette. Your are going to cross-ship a mustang/Camaro/etc? really? just don't get it other than it really meant you were not really interested in a 2 seater...
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    Please, stop bashing the gen v

    I agree with you but more on a selfish personal front of wanting the viper to remain unique. Unfortunately, my reason has nothing to do what is right for the business. I think odd to suggest a Challenger or even Cuda to compete with a Corvette? Those are mustang/Camaro compete cars. If I am...
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    Please, stop bashing the gen v

    You need to back up your thoughts w/actual data. What % of new vette owners modify their cars? (very low) What proof of the magical 700hp figure gets you a big boost in sales? Just use yourself as an example. Is the 640hp vs 700hp and mods the actual reason you are not laying down $120k...
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    Please, stop bashing the gen v

    Seriously??? I think this is the whole point of useless bashing with no facts to back it up. For example, lets say it had 700hp. going to increase sales a ton? of course not. Aftermarket support? really, you think the masses in this price range modify their cars? My point is the same...

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