Brakes (Mov'it)?

SlowCreamPuff

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Brakes (Mov\'it)?

Does anyone have experience with the Mov'it brakes system for the Viper?

Does it fit well?
Does it work good?

Opinion wanted...

Thanks.
 

Jim Hodel

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Re: Brakes (Mov\'it)?

Hi Slow, I don't have experience with the Mov'it system, but did install the Stoptech system on my 99 GTS. I've run a few track days with the stock brakes, stock brakes with Porterfields, and the Stoptechs with Axis Ultimates.

I'll be trying Pagid Oranges at the PIR Sept 28th track day. I managed to 'melt' the Axis Ultimates on a previous track day and embedded some black carbon goo onto my rotors. I sanded it off with Garnet paper and think I'm ready to go.

I also have a set of Baer Alcons on my Z28 that I've run with a variety of pads. Email me if you would like more details on installation etc.

BTW, there are lots of guys who are very fast and run the stock calipers and rotors with only a pad upgrade, air deflectors, and high temp brake fluid (Motul 600, ot ATE SuperBlue for example)

Jim

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Frank Parise

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Re: Brakes (Mov\'it)?

The Desert Venom Race Team has been running the brake system from Mov'it since 1998. It's also known as the Porsche "Big Red" system. We have had great experience with the system and highly recommend it (btw, we are not sponsored by Mov'it, nor do we receive endorsement fess, favors, or anything else like it)!

This is the same brake rotor and caliper that comes on the Porsche Twin Turbo. It features 13" rotors and 4-piston calipers in both front and rear. These fit easily under John Purner's 17" or 18" race wheels. You can also get the more current brake system that Porsche puts on their GT3 car. I believe you need 18" wheels for that application because the rotors are 14".

The system we use (not the GT3 system) comes with specially machined caliper mounting brackets that provide for direct bolt-on to your existing knuckles. It does require that one of the "ears" on each knuckle be removed (cut off). This is a sim-ple process that takes less than 5 minutes with a decent cutting wheel.

The front rotors come with removable hats that are replaced on every 3rd rotor change. The replacement cost is $225 per hat (two in total). The front rotors can be purchased from any Porsche dealer and cost about $210 each. The rear rotors are machined differently and come from Germany. The hats are "built-in" and do not require replacement. Each rear rotor cost about $250 including shipping. We replace the front rotors about once every 30 track days and the rear rotors about once every 60 track days. We have found this to be a very inexpensive operating system.

You do not need to change your brake master cylinder or your pedal assembly. You do not need a proportioning valve. The system is extremely well-balanced for the Viper.

We have found the Pagid race pads to provide an excellent balance of performance versus wear. We use black pads on the front and orange on the rear. It depends on the track, but normally we change front pads about once every 10 track days and rear pads about once every 20 track days. The front pads are about $210 per set ($105 per wheel), and the rear pads are about $170 per set.

The upfront cost of the complete system, which includes front rotors and hats, rear rotors, calipers, caliper mounting brackets, stainless lines, all mounting hardware, including emergency brake mouning brackets is about $5500.

This is an extremely effective system in terms of performance and cost. It also has several years of track proven experience on Vipers. This system is found on no less than 10 of the Viper Days wheel to wheel race Vipers.

One other important thing...this system does not create so much heat that it destroys other components inside the wheel well. For the first three years I ran this system with no brake ducts whatsoever. The little Porsche air deflectors which can be purchased for about $10 each from your Porsche dealer is all you really need.

Other users: Phil De La O, Johhny Yuma, Tony Estes, Bob Stevenson, and the Rick-A-Shay Rabbits: John Greico, John Cooper, Joe Ellis, Dave Heldt, among others.

My only disappointment is that they do not provide sponsorship dollars for the Viper Days series. Thanks to Stop Tech and other brake companies for their support of VCA racing!
 

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Re: Brakes (Mov\'it)?

Wow, Smacktime....16 laps in 100-degree heat without brake fade. Now there's a true testimony to your depth of experience with this system. I bet you even have a few more track events under your belt by now!

I thought this thread started by someone asking a simple question as to who had any experience with the Mov'it brake system. Having 4 years of heavy, competitive track experience with this system on multiple team cars, I thought we had a few valid observations to make.

When are you going to get over this "mine is bigger than yours" syndrome? You sound like a frickin' billboard for every product you ever tried on your car and survived to tell us about.

And don't send your bodyguard PNUM or your girlfriend into this thread to defend your sorry self!

Hope to see ya'll in Pahrump!
 

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Re: Brakes (Mov\'it)?

Way to go Frank! I was going to compliment the Movit system and now I find myself resisting the urge to bang you relentlessly. The only thing stopping me is fear of you digging deep into your classic "burn" archive.

I drove Johnny Yuma's car which had the system on at Motorsports Ranch for about 30 minutes and it worked great. No fade at all. Seems like a good system.

For the record, I have neither the Movit system nor the Stop Tech system but have heard nothing but great things about each of them. I'll be unleashing my new ultra-trick system on the Viper Days crowd at Pahrump. Frank, if you're lucky you might just get a chance to take a gander at it as I come by.
 

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Re: Brakes (Mov\'it)?

Frank...Don't fall for Mumford's "trick brake" story. I have seen him race, and don't believe he uses his brakes at all.
He seems to just fling himself into the corners, and lap after lap just plain dumb luck keeps him from flying completly off the track at fantastically high rates of speed.

I believe Mumford has a secret Chapparrel vacuum cleaner mounted under his car which ***** him down to the track. There is no other way he could corner at such a high rate of speed given his lack of talent, and limited car preparation.
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Re: Brakes (Mov\'it)?

Sorry Frank and Tony, but the Stop Tech system was specifically designed for the Viper. As many of you know I have tried other systems and one in paticular turned out horribly.

I have the Stop Tech system with 14 inch rotors and it is really amazing. I have run the system in a number of races. One was a 16 lap race in 100 plus degree heat. I didn't have any brake fade. The next day another race with the same positive outcome. It is also cheaper than the Porsche system and I would almost bet, operates cooler. You really should at least talk to the people at Stop Tech. The Viper is not a Porsche. I have seen Frank and all the others run well and without problems, but there is nothing like having support at a Viper Days event by a supplier who actually backs there products (not talking about Mov'it). I would also bet the Stop Tech calipers endure less flex. The same pad choices are available and most likely cheeper. Also, my layman knowledge, I believe that cross-drilled rotors actually can crack under race applications. Call Stop Tech 310-325-4799 and ask for Bob or Matt.
 

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Re: Brakes (Mov\'it)?

Thank you for your abstinence PNUM. Perhaps you haven't heard about my really trick lap time reduction device. It's been proven to work, even in the highly rigorous environment of a 16-lap race!!!

I must warn you that the only time you'll be coming by me at Pahrump is in an oncoming direction at the end of your spinout as I proceed to lap you. I hope you have finally gotten that sorry excuse for a racecar fully caged so you can come and play with us for real.

BTW, when are you young studs gonna show us elderly gents some respect? Simply move over and point us by, please??
 

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Re: Brakes (Mov\'it)?

You're right, Frank. Desert ****** is very difficult to pass. Nothing is harder than passing somebody with their turn signal always on, their "Rascal" strapped to the back of their race car, their Grecian Formula dripping out their window onto my windshield, their 8-track blaring deafening Jim Nabers, their neck stretching out to see over the dashboard (but under the top of the steering wheel) and occupying the "fast lane" whilst cruising at 30mph slower than the rest of the cars.
 

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Re: Brakes (Mov\'it)?

PNUM, I knew I shouldn't have started this. Now, wash out your mouth with soap and water. After your nanny picks you up from day-care, tell her you've been very bad and to expect a call from me. Furthermore, you're grounded and you cannot see Kenny for the rest of this week.
 

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