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[1TONY1]

Why is this Viper related ? Because I am supposed to race a certain car with him on motor only and me on blower only for $$$. This guy has a reputation of running nitrous when he says he does not.

Can anyone think of a way to sniff exhaust to tell if a car is running Nitrous Oxide ? Of course, it would have to be as simple as clamping something to the exhaust....ie: litmus test "simple" ..... I think pregnency test .... LOL

From a little online research on the by products of exhaust it looks to be nearly impossible with a simple test because the by products may be the same. Some (most?) racing grade nitrous has 100ppm of sulfer dioxide, but it looks like exhaust also has sulphuric acid in it. I'm sure with the right equipment that tests could be done to differentiate between nitrous use and no nitrous use but the question is how to do it simple ???
I was looking at emmisions by products here for simple info: http://www.volvocars.co.uk/_Tier2/WhyVolvo/Environment/ExhaustEmissions.htm

thx, Tony

 

[STUGOTS]

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why dont you just run gas just to be sure??

What kinda car is he running??

 

[Anaconda]

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Why don't you just crank up the boost in your car, just in case...hehhehe

 

[Tom F&L GoR]

"Bad" emissions are NO2, NO3, and therefore generically NOx. Nitrous is N2O, which is different. Plus you'd have to sniff while he's using it.

100ppm of SO2 in "fuel" is actually low. Limits on fuel are about that, and they count only the sulfur. The SO2 must be in there as a denaturant or because like mercaptans, humans can smell it at very low concentrations.

Buy him a set of spark plugs you think would be appropriate for the engine in his car, but not suitable for nitrous use. Offer to install before the race.

Is there something different about how a plug looks after nitrous?

 

[Randy]

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Why is this Viper related ? Because I am supposed to race a certain car with him on motor only and me on blower only for $$$. This guy has a reputation of running nitrous when he says he does not.

I'm guessing that making him physically remove the bottles, and physically checking the car for other bottles (or tracing the tubes) is not feasable?

 

[STUGOTS]

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Why is this Viper related ? Because I am supposed to race a certain car with him on motor only and me on blower only for $$$. This guy has a reputation of running nitrous when he says he does not.

I'm guessing that making him physically remove the bottles, and physically checking the car for other bottles (or tracing the tubes) is not feasable?

I agree and in all fairness let him make sure your not runing gas.

 

[Gerald Levin]

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I'll start by saying I am a dentist but know nothing about racing nitrous. In our office, the nitrous setup is a tank of nitrogen and a tank of oxygen that is dispensed such that there is always 30% oxygen (failsafe) given to the patient. Less than 30% oxygen tends to be bad for business as patients can and do die from hypoxia (lack of oxygen). Couldn't you just make sure that the tank is disconnected or are you worried that this guy may have a hidden bottle?

EDIT: I guess Randy above and I were thinking alike. I was distracted for a few minutes so I did not see his post till after I sent this. Sorry.

 

[BruceW]

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Is he gullible? Are you a good BS'er Take two identical, small bottles. Fill them with gasoline. Make up some chemical-sounding name and label the bottles. Tell him that it's a harmless fuel additive but if he is running nitrous this chemical will cause pre-detonation and blow his intake manifold off or destroy his heads. Then offer to pour a bottle in your tank if he does the same (and let him pick which bottle).

 

[Viperfreak2]

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Just have a friend ride with him, and vise-versa. Any button pushing, or sudden surges of power....

 

[joe117]

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Just have him disconnect or remove the bottle.

By the way,
what will he be driving that he will have a chance against you without his nitrous?

 

[Anaconda]

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How about you just "run what you brung" and don't worry about it?

 

[STUGOTS]

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Just have a friend ride with him, and vise-versa. Any button pushing, or sudden surges of power....

thats what we usually do.

to pervent Nos (when its a no Nos race) and also we had people (with all wheel drive) jam the brakes before the 1/4 is over because with AWD theya re gonna get the jump so they decide to stop the race when the feel like it.

 

[1TONY1]

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It's not as simple as disconnecting a bottle. This would be a hidden system and both cars would be open to inspection, but if somebody really wants to it can be hidden so good that it would take a lot to find it. If it's throttle activated there would be no buttons or surges. Anyway, it seems he now needs to test out his tires first so it's off for right now. The best idea is probably for both to run balls out......I just try to accommodate. I pretty much know that if I didn't screw up the pass that there is no way he would outrun me without cheating....I just would have to prove it. Things are a little tighter in the 1/8 mile.


Gerald, That's interesting about mixing the chemicals....I thought you guys just used medical grade.

 

[Edward 96GTS]

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Hear's a simple test. Race him, if he wins AND is laughing, he boosted.
Ed

 

[Gerald Levin]

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Since some dentists are clueless, they make this stuff idiotproof. It definitely is medical grade. You cannot buy it premixed, it only comes in separate tanks (nitrogen and oxygen). The mixing apparatus alone costs appx $2000, but it dispenses the N20 such that it would be impossible for a patient to overdose or become hypoxic. The fittings are such that you cannot hook them up backwards, again it's all idiotproof. But, there is a problem with nitrous. The expelled gases from patients exhaling must be recaptured since this stuff stagnates in your office for quite a while. Due to this, I have removed this completely from my office and use a drug very similar to Rohypnol (the infamous ********* drug which is no longer available in the US), for better results with the patients having absolutely no memory of what they just went thru. And I know what you are all thinking.....my wife is my surgical assistant and is in the room at all times. Sorry for not sticking to the topic of racing nitrous.

 

[STUGOTS]

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Hear's a simple test. Race him, if he wins AND is laughing, he boosted.
Ed

if he just wins at all he cheated lol

 

[Anaconda]

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I just want to know why ANY of this matters. If you somehow find out that he sprayed you, will you then claim he "cheated" if he wins? What difference does it make? It's a race....run what you brung.

 

[1TONY1]

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I just want to know why ANY of this matters. If you somehow find out that he sprayed you, will you then claim he "cheated" if he wins? What difference does it make? It's a race....run what you brung.

If he found out I sprayed....do you think he would say I cheated ??? Sure he would.
It's simple. He requested to run me....him on motor only and me on blower only. So yes, if either one of us used nitrous it would be cheating. Races can be run many ways....someone might get the move...sometimes the move and a car or two head start. Not unusual to run on motor only. This guy is known to cheat so I said the only way I would race is at the strip with the times displayed on the board. I have offered run what you brung....right now he is not interested. Anyway....at the moment he has delayed the race until he tests his car with drag radials. The reason I want to know about the nitrous is because chances are real slim that his setup on motor can out ET my car. He could win if I screw up on the tree and he has a good light ... you never know. He also wasn't interested in 1/4 mile. In fact this guy won a street race against a pretty quick Vette a few weeks ago and there was some heated discussion afterward when he was claiming no nitrous.

p.s. Why does it really matter ?? Because several hundred was going to be bet....therefore I expect the rules to be followed.

 

[Jack B]

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Tony:

I am not sure if any industrial nitrous uses the sulphur any longer. My source does not.

 

[Camfab]

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Street racers always cheat. Especially if it involves money. He will squeeze it, they always do. You guys don't actually believe that pulling bottles out of a car means a guy isn't squeez'n do you?

 

[joe117]

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Gerald Levin,
Are you sure the system you talked about would make nitrous oxide out of nitrogen and oxygen?

JackB,
"if any industrial nitrous uses the sulphur any longer."

You mean you can breath the stuff they sell now?

 

[STUGOTS]

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I just want to know why ANY of this matters. If you somehow find out that he sprayed you, will you then claim he "cheated" if he wins? What difference does it make? It's a race....run what you brung.

If he found out I sprayed....do you think he would say I cheated ??? Sure he would.
It's simple. He requested to run me....him on motor only and me on blower only. So yes, if either one of us used nitrous it would be cheating. Races can be run many ways....someone might get the move...sometimes the move and a car or two head start. Not unusual to run on motor only. This guy is known to cheat so I said the only way I would race is at the strip with the times displayed on the board. I have offered run what you brung....right now he is not interested. Anyway....at the moment he has delayed the race until he tests his car with drag radials. The reason I want to know about the nitrous is because chances are real slim that his setup on motor can out ET my car. He could win if I screw up on the tree and he has a good light ... you never know. He also wasn't interested in 1/4 mile. In fact this guy won a street race against a pretty quick Vette a few weeks ago and there was some heated discussion afterward when he was claiming no nitrous.

p.s. Why does it really matter ?? Because several hundred was going to be bet....therefore I expect the rules to be followed.

Tony I'd say have someone go with him and someone else go with you just to make it fair.

 

[STUGOTS]

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I street race ALOT (on a closed track of course) and they do ALWAYS cheat so the best way we found it to be fair is to have a rider go along with each.

 

[STUGOTS]

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BTW what kinda car we talkin about here???

if you dont wanna say in the thread pm me and let me know because I know alot of street racers here with alot of cars.

 

[Anaconda]

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I just want to know why ANY of this matters. If you somehow find out that he sprayed you, will you then claim he "cheated" if he wins? What difference does it make? It's a race....run what you brung.

If he found out I sprayed....do you think he would say I cheated ??? Sure he would.
It's simple. He requested to run me....him on motor only and me on blower only. So yes, if either one of us used nitrous it would be cheating. Races can be run many ways....someone might get the move...sometimes the move and a car or two head start. Not unusual to run on motor only. This guy is known to cheat so I said the only way I would race is at the strip with the times displayed on the board. I have offered run what you brung....right now he is not interested. Anyway....at the moment he has delayed the race until he tests his car with drag radials. The reason I want to know about the nitrous is because chances are real slim that his setup on motor can out ET my car. He could win if I screw up on the tree and he has a good light ... you never know. He also wasn't interested in 1/4 mile. In fact this guy won a street race against a pretty quick Vette a few weeks ago and there was some heated discussion afterward when he was claiming no nitrous.

p.s. Why does it really matter ?? Because several hundred was going to be bet....therefore I expect the rules to be followed.

Tony I'd say have someone go with him and someone else go with you just to make it fair.

What does that accomplish? It's quite easy to rig up a nitrous system so it will engage at wide-open throttle WITHOUT using any sort of switch whatsoever. So, are you saying that because you simply rode along with the person, you could tell whether they sprayed or not? BS.

And back to the original poster, if you want to follow the rules, why don't you just up the boost, and don't spray. Therefore you won't be "cheating" but you will be covering yourself, in case he decides to "cheat."

By the way, let's just assume that the race is run, and he does spray you, but doesn't tell you. How cool will it be, if you beat him anyway, even though he KNOWS that he sprayed you, but think that you don't know that he sprayed? It will humiliate him even more.

 

[plumcrazy]

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what Anaconda just said.

 

[STUGOTS]

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I just want to know why ANY of this matters. If you somehow find out that he sprayed you, will you then claim he "cheated" if he wins? What difference does it make? It's a race....run what you brung.

If he found out I sprayed....do you think he would say I cheated ??? Sure he would.
It's simple. He requested to run me....him on motor only and me on blower only. So yes, if either one of us used nitrous it would be cheating. Races can be run many ways....someone might get the move...sometimes the move and a car or two head start. Not unusual to run on motor only. This guy is known to cheat so I said the only way I would race is at the strip with the times displayed on the board. I have offered run what you brung....right now he is not interested. Anyway....at the moment he has delayed the race until he tests his car with drag radials. The reason I want to know about the nitrous is because chances are real slim that his setup on motor can out ET my car. He could win if I screw up on the tree and he has a good light ... you never know. He also wasn't interested in 1/4 mile. In fact this guy won a street race against a pretty quick Vette a few weeks ago and there was some heated discussion afterward when he was claiming no nitrous.

p.s. Why does it really matter ?? Because several hundred was going to be bet....therefore I expect the rules to be followed.

Tony I'd say have someone go with him and someone else go with you just to make it fair.

What does that accomplish? It's quite easy to rig up a nitrous system so it will engage at wide-open throttle WITHOUT using any sort of switch whatsoever. So, are you saying that because you simply rode along with the person, you could tell whether they sprayed or not? BS.

And back to the original poster, if you want to follow the rules, why don't you just up the boost, and don't spray. Therefore you won't be "cheating" but you will be covering yourself, in case he decides to "cheat."

By the way, let's just assume that the race is run, and he does spray you, but doesn't tell you. How cool will it be, if you beat him anyway, even though he KNOWS that he sprayed you, but think that you don't know that he sprayed? It will humiliate him even more.

number 1 usually you can feel if someone is spraying but the sudden jult at WOT.

number 2 dont tell him your having a ride along until its race time this way he wont set it up on purpose.

number 3 I think upping the boost is a GREAT idea, imagine how he would feel if he cheated and lost anyway, even tho he would never admit he cheated but in his heart he will know he got he a$$ *****.

 

[Anaconda]

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I street race ALOT (on a closed track of course) and they do ALWAYS cheat so the best way we found it to be fair is to have a rider go along with each.

The only thing that accomplishes is adding more weight to the car, and slowing the car down. It certainly does not prevent "cheating" with nitrous. Or maybe all of your street racer friends don't know how to hide a kit properly....

 

[STUGOTS]

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I street race ALOT (on a closed track of course) and they do ALWAYS cheat so the best way we found it to be fair is to have a rider go along with each.

The only thing that accomplishes is adding more weight to the car, and slowing the car down. It certainly does not prevent "cheating" with nitrous. Or maybe all of your street racer friends don't know how to hide a kit properly....

never said they were friends, I just race them.

and it may ass weight but its adding weight to both cars, so its even.

 

[Anaconda]

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number 1 usually you can feel if someone is spraying but the sudden jult at WOT.

number 2 dont tell him your having a ride along until its race time this way he wont set it up on purpose.

number 3 I think upping the boost is a GREAT idea, imagine how he would feel if he cheated and lost anyway, even tho he would never admit he cheated but in his heart he will know he got he a$$ *****.

1) Depends on the size of the shot. A 500 shot? Yes, you could feel that. But what about a 50? Maybe a 50 shot is all he needs. You wouldn't be able to tell that probably.

2) How do you know that? Maybe he thinks like me, and is prepared for the race no matter if there is a rider or not.

3) Yes, that's what I was getting at. He should just up the boost and ANTICIPATE that the other guy is definitely going to spray him.