EBC Installed!

troyrt10

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I installed my EBC "green stuff" brake pads this weekend. It was a very easy install! The easiest brake job I have done. The pads stop well so far. Not much dust at all.
If I have any problems with these pads I'll post it. So far I really like them!
 

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Did you paint the outside of the pads, or leave them green? If no paint, does the green stand out much?
 

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The front you won't.
I would highly recommend not mixing brake types. You should run the same compound pad on the rear as you do on the front. Unless you are good at adjusting your brake bias (which would require the addition of a valve).
Factory pads (assuming that's what you have) will have better bite than the EBC's. Because the car has very little rear brake bias, you most likely won't run into any trouble on the street. But I have seen someone crash their Viper at Viper days because of mixing compounds.
EBC's are cheap, I'd do the rears as well if it were me. Infact I am running EBC's front and rear on the street.
 

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JonB advocated running EBC greens in the front and reds in the rear. Is he trying to kill me?
 

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I don't suppose so if it's a proven combination.
All I'm saying is unless you really know what you are doing, be very careful when mixing brake types.
 

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I suppose the concept here is that the cars bias (how much of the work the front and the rear each do) in stock form was 'programmed' to settle the weight in a specific way under braking. The engineers (ideally) designed the bias to make the car as stable as possible for braking both in straight lines and in turns. If you change the way that the braking force is proportioned, one of two things will happen. 1) Too much grip in the rear will affect the transfer of weight to the front tires, reducing downforce needed for best braking traction and potentially causing the rear tires to lock before the fronts (bad), or 2) too little grip in the rear will cause the fronts to lose traction earlier than necessary because the rears aren't pulling their weight (no pun intended). I think I personally would side with Lethal on this one...if the grip/compound of the OEM pads is identical on front/rear, I would stick with that "pad bias".

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I'll never forget Skip Thomas telling us in our drivers meeting that the reason the fella that took out the fence and trashed his Snake in turn one at MAM was because he was mixing brake pad compounds and his *** passed his front end when he started to brake. His back brakes heated sooner and bit hard before his front brakes did.
Kcobean expained it pretty well.
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Thanks for the info on the brake pads. I never track my car. I'm kind of a poser. I did not know about the differing pads being so dangerous! Again, thanks for the info.
Troy
 

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Everyone does have different views on these pads don't they. I'm pulling my EBC greens out after 3 weeks with them in, because they were just not what I was expecting.
 

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Ummm... I can tell all from experience that what kcobean said about designing brake systems is true, but it didn't happen on the Viper.

Federal safety standards require that every vehicle have a proportioning valve in order to prevent rear wheels locking up before the front. Automotive designs are focused on hitting the obstruction head-on, so seat belts, airbags, bumper design, crush zone, etc are all tuned for hitting the thing you see in front. Locking the rear first might easily swing the car around, and you would hit side- or rear-first. The average driver does not deal well with oversteer, the occupant protection is not as great, although with side air bags you can see that is changing.

The proof that the rear brakes are inadequate is that one can disable the proportioning valve and the fronts still lock first.

This is a completely different situation than "installing an adjustable proportioning valve." The reason to add a valve is to reduce the rear brake capability (i.e. when the car has 4-piston calipers in the back.) In the stock Viper, there is already not enough brake, so you don't ever want to throttle it down, you want to somehow increase the capability. The 40mm calipers increase brake clamping force by 23% and you still can disable the proportioning valve and not lock the fronts.

I'd love to know what pads with the stock rear calipers outdid the ones in the front. I tried and could never find that combination.

So to come back to the real world, since the stock rear calipers are relatively under-performing, using some kind of more aggressive rear pad is bound to be beneficial. Because of the original (poor) design, there is such a huge margin of safety or error, depending on how you look at it, on selecting front and rear pad combinations that it's very hard to see making a mistake.
 

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Everyone does have different views on these pads don't they. I'm pulling my EBC greens out after 3 weeks with them in, because they were just not what I was expecting.
Has it been 3 weeks already? Let me know if you want to sell the pads, I might be interested.
 

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Sounds good Ken. We can talk about it at the next club meeting. Initially I thought "no big deal" to change from one to the other whether I was tracking the car or driving on the street, but now I think it's going to be more pain than its worth.
 

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