94RT10Ohio
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Answer to the original question. No.
this is what killed viper sales. they could have left the body alone and changed the internals only & sold more gen3s that way then with the body redesign.(gen3) but from a looks perspective, it doesn't have that heart-rate increasing "automotive artwork" look to it
LOL they are doiong that for real? I hadnt heard that one.I dont see why some would think it cost anywhere near the 90k that has been charged on the viper. There has been a premium on the viper since it's onset and the rebates on the SRT's only confirms what the Viper would have been selling for if there was no premium. Dodge may not be making much on the viper because of it's limited production but up until the debacle with the increased production numbers has not lost money on the car.
More than just the rebates... how about the weekend getaway to Germany if you buy a Viper?
The looks of the GEN III have nothing at all to do with the decline of the viper. The problem lies in the cost which is 10-15% more than the GEN II. It also lies in the fact that the vipers are not presold units anymore, and the higher productions umbers. Not to mention that american car buyers are more concerned with SPEED, and the GEN III does not deliver much more if any IN A STRAIGHT LINE which up until recently has been what american cars did.
OH yeah and the Z06 was a knife in the back as well, when the viper used to be the fastest car you could buy here, and the fact that it's cheaper. The corvette is the trump card for DC. They have to play their real hand now, making less , faster vipers, for a more realistic price. and unfortunately they cant do that until the old cars leave the lots or they may in fact take a hit.
The looks of the GEN III have nothing at all to do with the decline of the viper. The problem lies in the cost which is 10-15% more than the GEN II. It also lies in the fact that the vipers are not presold units anymore, and the higher productions umbers. Not to mention that american car buyers are more concerned with SPEED, and the GEN III does not deliver much more if any IN A STRAIGHT LINE which up until recently has been what american cars did.
OH yeah and the Z06 was a knife in the back as well, when the viper used to be the fastest car you could buy here, and the fact that it's cheaper. The corvette is the trump card for DC. They have to play their real hand now, making less , faster vipers, for a more realistic price. and unfortunately they cant do that until the old cars leave the lots or they may in fact take a hit.
A few questions:
1. Is the Vette 'made to order' or is built in pre-sold units. I would think the latter.
2. How are sales for the Vette now. Based on how many are on the road, it looks like they are pretty good.
3. Is Chevy suffering at the hands of their manufacturing math like Chrysler?
It seems to me that if the "pre-sold unit" issue were the only factor, then the Vette would be suffering as well. Even at bargain basement prices, the Viper isn't moving in comparison to the Vette. It can't be only because there are just too many of them. They are still built in smaller numbers than the vette.
People who might opt for the Viper at similar prices to the vette are still opting for the Vette. I don't know why that is, but I suspect some of it has to do with the Viper2000 picture posted a page back.
In my mind, it seems the order has been given to make the halo car a true halo car. The back room deals have been made. Money is being spent. Powertrains are being developed. There was just not enough time to do anything for the show.
Give these guys (the engineers) a chance. It is not easy to design a top notch vehicle. Patience, grasshopper, patience......
Car must come in at an expected cost of 80k. No more.
I hope there is no Gen IV viper It makes my GenII all that much more valuable.
Give these guys (the engineers) a chance. It is not
easy to design a top notch vehicle.
Oh, if I only had enough time in the day... But really, youCould some of you anti-Gen 3ers tell me how ugly you
feel the srt/10 and Coupe are compared too other vehicles
because I don't see it.
You're dead on, and I really think most guys here would agree that the gen3's look better than 99% of other cars out there, and for the most part, this is sibling rivalry. I'm definately getting a gen3-4 someday, but nothing will ever replace the gts.In my mind, it seems the order has been given to make the halo car a true halo car. The back room deals have been made. Money is being spent. Powertrains are being developed. There was just not enough time to do anything for the show.
Give these guys (the engineers) a chance. It is not easy to design a top notch vehicle. Patience, grasshopper, patience......
Car must come in at an expected cost of 80k. No more.
Plus they have to deal with this unruly crowd once their done.
Could some of you anti-Gen 3ers tell me how ugly you feel the srt/10 and Coupe are compared too other vehicles because I don't see it. Even when I had my GTS, I always wanted to some day own an SRT/10.
Are Vettes better looking than Gen III?
Gen III is better looking than the Vette in my opinion. Not a
tremendous amount, but it is better. The Vette muddied the waters.
most vette people think the gen2 viper is an ugly clown shoe.
I dont get where people are saying that the SRTC is that much different than the GTS. It looks like a freaking evolution of cars. Just because you may prefer the slightly awkward GTS appearance does not make the coupe ugly in the least bit. The RT10 IMO is one of the ugliest sports cars known to man. The roof looks like it doesnt fit at all. It doesnt even look like a viper to me. I would think someone would have to be stark raving mad to think and RT-10 looks anywhere near as good as any GEN III.
Some people just prefer the classic lines, I did with the C5 corvette and think the GTS looks a little slimmer than the SRTC which I why I like it and will buy one. Other than that the SRTC is a step up in every area except just not quite enough on the performance side.
Whoever said the new Viper should come in at no more than 80k has some serious praying to do. That would all but scrap the profits on the current GEN III which it seems will still be on the lots when the new ones come out.
I believe that the Viper is and has always been an advertisement for DC. It’s a flagship car that was never intended to be a moneymaker for the corporation.
I don’t think anyone can argue with that.