Headers Question

[got one]

Okay...if looking for headers (as I am doing research just in case I get a Gen 3/4 in the near future), what are my options for:
1. Gen 3
2. Gen 4
3. Gen 4 ACR

Are they all pretty much interchangable? Sorry if this has been answered in a prior post...I couldn't find it.

Thanks in advance guys and gals!

Ryan

 

[SoCal Rebell]

The only header I've used or will use is a full Belanger setup

 

[99 R/T 10]

The Gen IIIs and the Gen IVs are NOT the same. Different setup and not interchangeable. Gen IIIs with go both ways (coupe/Convert) as will Gen IVs, but the Gens are not the same.

 

[got one]

Thanks. So what are my options for a Gen 4...same for a Gen 4 ACR by chance?

 

[99 R/T 10]

Correct, I think the only two makers are M&M and Balengers.. HMS might be making them now too.

 

[SnakeEye]

Gen4 +1 Belangers.

 

[got one]

What do you folks think I should pay for either set...parts only.

Thanks,

 

[treesnake]

I had a set of MM headers installed on my 06 coupe last week. MBCCENTER... Matt, at MM, was great to work with.

I don't have any dyno numbers but I know the car pulls a lot harder in the mid and upper RPMs. Not only do they perform (most important) but they look good also. The sound is "menacing" with one muffler and no cats...
(Fires 3 ft. blue flames too...)

The interesting part, IMO, is the price. These jetcoated MM headers are about $1000.00 cheaper than Belangers...

Not that there is anything wrong with Belangers. I have a set on my
Gen 2 and like them. Therefore I am able to make a side by side comparison...

After having both Belanger and MM headers..... For the $1000 savings (for other mods...) get the MMs. You wont be giving up anything in performance and looks up either. IMO

 

[Lee00blacksilverGTS]

Ryan,
Couple points...MBCCENTER is NOT a VCA sponsor, he's not even on the expired list from last year.
Love to talk to him and happy to sign him up again so he can enjoy the 7 million views a month our other site sponsors enjoy. 99rt10 if you could give him a shout that would be great, he's a good guy I know.
If you're going to put these on a gen 4 you need to check out DOCUMENTED numbers. Treesnake put the MM on a Gen 3.
I have a Gen 2 with Belangers, I had an 06 also that I did not mod, but more importantly after buying an 08 ACR my learning experience with the Belanger has demonstrated that there is something in the area of a 70HP gain on a Gen 4.
Not sure of the exact number but either do some searching or call Mark Jorgensen at Woodhouse, who gave me those numbers when my ACR passed through Woodhouse.
I have never heard any numbers from MM's.
You could also call JonB or Chuck Tator regarding this.
And I have played no favorites here, just mentioning dealers who are site supporters, Belanger is not, MM is not. Woodhouse, JonB and Tator are.

 

[Viperless]

Ryan,
Couple points...MBCCENTER is NOT a VCA sponsor, he's not even on the expired list from last year.
Love to talk to him and happy to sign him up again so he can enjoy the 7 million views a month our other site sponsors enjoy. 99rt10 if you could give him a shout that would be great, he's a good guy I know.
If you're going to put these on a gen 4 you need to check out DOCUMENTED numbers. Treesnake put the MM on a Gen 3.
I have a Gen 2 with Belangers, I had an 06 also that I did not mod, but more importantly after buying an 08 ACR my learning experience with the Belanger has demonstrated that there is something in the area of a 70HP gain on a Gen 4.
Not sure of the exact number but either do some searching or call Mark Jorgensen at Woodhouse, who gave me those numbers when my ACR passed through Woodhouse.
I have never heard any numbers from MM's.
You could also call JonB or Chuck Tator regarding this.
And I have played no favorites here, just mentioning dealers who are site supporters, Belanger is not, MM is not. Woodhouse, JonB and Tator are.

M&M header dyno numbers. 500 miles on the odometer when it was dynoed. 3" exhaust, no cats, factory PCM and air filters. I haven't heard of Belangers doing better than this with the same setup.

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[ILLSMOQ]

I've installed M&M's and Bellangers on gen III's...they are almost identical. If I was to pick between two I'd get the M&M's and put that $1000.00 towards some more mods.

 

[Viperless]

I've installed M&M's and Bellangers on gen III's...they are almost identical. If I was to pick between two I'd get the M&M's and put that $1000.00 towards some more mods.

Not sure about Gen3's but M&M Gen2 headers have thicker flanges than Belangers. Thicker flanges = no warpage = no leakage.

 

[SNKEBIT]

Thanks, Keith.

I was gonna call you tomorrow for that very info!