May be leaving the Viper Family, for a while...

[Blue Batmobile]

hehe, there's a thought. I'm actually in the process of selling my 350z right now. Unfortunately, I only have room for one car in the garage .

Bat™

 

[onerareviper]

If you have an itch for a new car go for it. The itch will not go away. I have driven a NSX and they are great cars. The only problem with them is they are so unbelivably slow. After owning the Viper it will make driving the NSX very hard.

Where I think most of the posts on this thread are off is on the pricing of NSX's. I don't think many people here realize how rare the cars are and how the price does hold up well. There is no way mid-90's NSX's will ever fall bellow 20k. It still costs 35k+ to get a nice targa car (95-96) and almost 45k to get a targa 6-speed car (97+). On the flip side the value of a 2000 GTS with stock wheels would be hard pressed to hit above 50k.

Exactly. You'd be surprised how much some of them are going for, even with $100,000 miles on them, they are going for the mid 20's.

Anyhow, what dop you guys think I can actually get for my Viper if I were to sell it now?

It's got 22,000 miles on it. Eibach Pro Springs, and ofcourse 19/20 iforged Trial wheels on it.

Bat™

100,000 miles and there asking mid 20's. More than likely there getting low 20's or even high teens. And that's exactly my point. In 2-3 years, your NSX is going to be a high-miles NSX and a few years older. And IMHO it will only be worth mid 20's. That's a big hit to take. Your Viper on the other hand, will have around 40,000 miles and still be worth a nice penny.

I was looking at the NSX's in 2001, and 94's could be had for $35,000. The ones I looked at had about 40K miles at the time. My guess is a moderate miles '94 (60,000 miles) can be had for mid 20's right now from a motivated seller. Why not go that route? The differences between a '94 and '00 are minimal, and you won't loss your **** in 2-3 years when you sell.

You way off on NSX pricing and the differences between the cars. The difference between the 94 and 00 is pretty substantial. 3.2L engine, bigger brakes, targa top, 6-speed tranny. The 97 and up cars actually trap 6mph more in the quarter than the earlier cars. As for the price, there is no way in 3 years a 00 NSX will be 25k, not a chance in hell. I would say it will be worth 39k and 00 Viper will be maybe 42k in 3 years. You also have to remember that the Monaco Blue is the most sought after NSX color.

Would I personally trade my car for an NSX? No way! But would I like to have an NSX along with the Viper, sure would as they are great cars.

To me, those performance differences are not that significant. And you put a '94 next to a '00 at a car show and no one would know the difference. Maybe a small handful of NSX lovers. But let's look at the stats:

Power to weight = '94 3020 LBS/270HP = 11.18 HP per pound.

Power to weight - '00T 3160 LBS/290HP = 10.9 HP per pound.

We're talking very small differences in power. 210 Torque vs. 224 Torque. Braking distances are probably a few feet from 60. Sure there's a difference, but something you can feel while driving the car? I don't think so, or just barely. And I think the +6 MPH trap speed is a bit optomistic. I'm sure magazines quote that, but I've seen a few of these at the track and have not notice that much of a difference between these years. Also, from what a remember the targa is a bit less ridgid and has more flex.

Maybe mid's 20's is a bit off (probably trade in value, $30K retail), but there is no way in 2009 a 2000 NSX with 80,000 miles will sell for nearly 40 g's. Unless this blue color is so rare it is worth 10K more, that I don't know. My estimate was for a typical color. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, or revisit this post in 3 years.


BTW - I love the NSX, and it was actually between it and the Viper GTS back in '00/'01. I chose the Viper due to looks, power, and stiffer chassis. When I test drove some NSX's, I did not like the body flex I felt in corners. It also lacked the torque, but is much quicker than people give it credit. Not a slow car by any means.... At that time I had a line on a '94 with 40,000 miles for low 30's. I felt that year car would depreciate very little in the next 4-5 years, hence my interest.

Turn ahead 5 years, and I feel it is not a good time to purchase a newer ('98 up) NSX. Merely an opinion, but I feel with all the faster Japanese cars hitting the market there will not be much desire for a 290HP NSX come 3 years from now, especially with the car being re-designed. At least not $40K worth of desire.....

 

[Andrew/USPWR]

The NSX is to Honda/Acura, what Vipers are to Dodge. The very best these companies can build. My brother own one, and it's an incredible piece of machinery. You may tier of it quickly because if the lack of HP though.

Why don't you make a deal with the guy. In 6 months, if your both not happy with the trade, trade back?








2005 Silver SRT/10
2000 Steel Gray GTS (sold)

 

[Blue Batmobile]

If you have an itch for a new car go for it. The itch will not go away. I have driven a NSX and they are great cars. The only problem with them is they are so unbelivably slow. After owning the Viper it will make driving the NSX very hard.

Where I think most of the posts on this thread are off is on the pricing of NSX's. I don't think many people here realize how rare the cars are and how the price does hold up well. There is no way mid-90's NSX's will ever fall bellow 20k. It still costs 35k+ to get a nice targa car (95-96) and almost 45k to get a targa 6-speed car (97+). On the flip side the value of a 2000 GTS with stock wheels would be hard pressed to hit above 50k.

Exactly. You'd be surprised how much some of them are going for, even with $100,000 miles on them, they are going for the mid 20's.

Anyhow, what dop you guys think I can actually get for my Viper if I were to sell it now?

It's got 22,000 miles on it. Eibach Pro Springs, and ofcourse 19/20 iforged Trial wheels on it.

Bat™

100,000 miles and there asking mid 20's. More than likely there getting low 20's or even high teens. And that's exactly my point. In 2-3 years, your NSX is going to be a high-miles NSX and a few years older. And IMHO it will only be worth mid 20's. That's a big hit to take. Your Viper on the other hand, will have around 40,000 miles and still be worth a nice penny.

I was looking at the NSX's in 2001, and 94's could be had for $35,000. The ones I looked at had about 40K miles at the time. My guess is a moderate miles '94 (60,000 miles) can be had for mid 20's right now from a motivated seller. Why not go that route? The differences between a '94 and '00 are minimal, and you won't loss your **** in 2-3 years when you sell.

You way off on NSX pricing and the differences between the cars. The difference between the 94 and 00 is pretty substantial. 3.2L engine, bigger brakes, targa top, 6-speed tranny. The 97 and up cars actually trap 6mph more in the quarter than the earlier cars. As for the price, there is no way in 3 years a 00 NSX will be 25k, not a chance in hell. I would say it will be worth 39k and 00 Viper will be maybe 42k in 3 years. You also have to remember that the Monaco Blue is the most sought after NSX color.

Would I personally trade my car for an NSX? No way! But would I like to have an NSX along with the Viper, sure would as they are great cars.

To me, those performance differences are not that significant. And you put a '94 next to a '00 at a car show and no one would know the difference. Maybe a small handful of NSX lovers. But let's look at the stats:

Power to weight = '94 3020 LBS/270HP = 11.18 HP per pound.

Power to weight - '00T 3160 LBS/290HP = 10.9 HP per pound.

We're talking very small differences in power. 210 Torque vs. 224 Torque. Braking distances are probably a few feet from 60. Sure there's a difference, but something you can feel while driving the car? I don't think so, or just barely. And I think the +6 MPH trap speed is a bit optomistic. I'm sure magazines quote that, but I've seen a few of these at the track and have not notice that much of a difference between these years. Also, from what a remember the targa is a bit less ridgid and has more flex.

Maybe mid's 20's is a bit off (probably trade in value, $30K retail), but there is no way in 2009 a 2000 NSX with 80,000 miles will sell for nearly 40 g's. Unless this blue color is so rare it is worth 10K more, that I don't know. My estimate was for a typical color. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, or revisit this post in 3 years.


BTW - I love the NSX, and it was actually between it and the Viper GTS back in '00/'01. I chose the Viper due to looks, power, and stiffer chassis. When I test drove some NSX's, I did not like the body flex I felt in corners. It also lacked the torque, but is much quicker than people give it credit. Not a slow car by any means.... At that time I had a line on a '94 with 40,000 miles for low 30's. I felt that year car would depreciate very little in the next 4-5 years, hence my interest.

Turn ahead 5 years, and I feel it is not a good time to purchase a newer ('98 up) NSX. Merely an opinion, but I feel with all the faster Japanese cars hitting the market there will not be much desire for a 290HP NSX come 3 years from now, especially with the car being re-designed. At least not $40K worth of desire.....

Tell you one thing. I definately won't be able to afford the new NSX when it does come out. I'm hearing it may be in the 6 digit range.

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[Blue Batmobile]

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[Saint_Spinner]

LOL, the last picture you posted looked exactly like mine. Same ride height, color and wheels! I told you should sell the Z

 

[D.K.]

The Black one w/ the body kit looks decent. That might turn as many heads as your Viper....maybe.

 

[BlueGTS]

To me, those performance differences are not that significant. And you put a '94 next to a '00 at a car show and no one would know the difference. Maybe a small handful of NSX lovers. But let's look at the stats:

Power to weight = '94 3020 LBS/270HP = 11.18 HP per pound.

Power to weight - '00T 3160 LBS/290HP = 10.9 HP per pound.

We're talking very small differences in power. 210 Torque vs. 224 Torque. Braking distances are probably a few feet from 60. Sure there's a difference, but something you can feel while driving the car? I don't think so, or just barely. And I think the +6 MPH trap speed is a bit optomistic. I'm sure magazines quote that, but I've seen a few of these at the track and have not notice that much of a difference between these years.

The numbers do not tell the whole story with the NSX. I know it is easy to divide the weight by the HP but the difference is much greater than that. It feels much more like 50+ hp. The gearing of the 6-speed has something to do with it as well. I have driven the 270hp version multiple times and it is a distracting slow car. I found it so slow I actually would short shift the gears due to it taking so long to tach up. The 97+ are noticeably faster, I would say C5 fast. Not that, that is anything to write home about but it is noticeable.

I know it is easy to jump on the bash the low HP car bandwagon but in 1989 it was an all aluminum marvel. Now ,17 years later, even the base Vette would give it thorough trashing. With that said, it is an icon that was produced in relatively low numbers so they will never be giving away clean examples.

 

[Fadi]

The Black one w/ the body kit looks decent. That might turn as many heads as your Viper....maybe.

My buddy just sold his Gen II Viper and purchased a 2000 NSX-T. Initially, I told him that he will eventually miss the attention the Viper got when he gets the NSX. Well, let me tell you that the NSX, now that he is an owner and we drive around together on a constant basis, gets even more stares and more gawk than his previous red 98 RT/10 Viper. I did not think that would be the case, but I have witnessed this with my own eyes.

So in terms of looks, and from what I have seen, the NSX takes it.

 

[Andy 98 RT/10]

I actually sold my '98 Viper RT/10 and bought a 2000 NSX-T. Even though the Viper was a really fun car, to be honest, I enjoy driving my NSX much more.

The Viper wins in accerlation, but the NSX is not slow by any means, like some people are saying. It will run a 4.5 0-60 mph. I do notice a difference, but not a huge difference.

In terms of every other aspect, I feel as though the Acura is superior.

Here's an example of the difference in engineering. I had the removable hardtop on the '98, which was a real pain. It can't be stored in the car, it was hard to get on and off, very noisy when on, etc. Just a plain afterthought. On the Acura, there are no afterthoughts. The removable hardtop is flush with the car, has no rattles and no noise, and stores right above the engine while driving. I am just amazed with the attention to detail.

If you want an extremely fast, loud, torquey american car the viper is the one for you. If want more out of the driving experience, I would suggest taking a look at the NSX.

 

[DodgeViper01]

I've drieven the NSX on several occassions. I Love the ride, and handling. But I can also say the same for the Viper. Two totally different cars, both on the opposite ends of the spectrum. I just happen to like both.

Bat™

Very well said.

 

[DodgeViper01]

If you have an itch for a new car go for it. The itch will not go away. I have driven a NSX and they are great cars. The only problem with them is they are so unbelivably slow. After owning the Viper it will make driving the NSX very hard.

Where I think most of the posts on this thread are off is on the pricing of NSX's. I don't think many people here realize how rare the cars are and how the price does hold up well. There is no way mid-90's NSX's will ever fall bellow 20k. It still costs 35k+ to get a nice targa car (95-96) and almost 45k to get a targa 6-speed car (97+). On the flip side the value of a 2000 GTS with stock wheels would be hard pressed to hit above 50k.

Exactly. You'd be surprised how much some of them are going for, even with $100,000 miles on them, they are going for the mid 20's.

Anyhow, what dop you guys think I can actually get for my Viper if I were to sell it now?

It's got 22,000 miles on it. Eibach Pro Springs, and ofcourse 19/20 iforged Trial wheels on it.

Bat™

100,000 miles and there asking mid 20's. More than likely there getting low 20's or even high teens. And that's exactly my point. In 2-3 years, your NSX is going to be a high-miles NSX and a few years older. And IMHO it will only be worth mid 20's. That's a big hit to take. Your Viper on the other hand, will have around 40,000 miles and still be worth a nice penny.

I was looking at the NSX's in 2001, and 94's could be had for $35,000. The ones I looked at had about 40K miles at the time. My guess is a moderate miles '94 (60,000 miles) can be had for mid 20's right now from a motivated seller. Why not go that route? The differences between a '94 and '00 are minimal, and you won't loss your **** in 2-3 years when you sell.

You way off on NSX pricing and the differences between the cars. The difference between the 94 and 00 is pretty substantial. 3.2L engine, bigger brakes, targa top, 6-speed tranny. The 97 and up cars actually trap 6mph more in the quarter than the earlier cars. As for the price, there is no way in 3 years a 00 NSX will be 25k, not a chance in hell. I would say it will be worth 39k and 00 Viper will be maybe 42k in 3 years. You also have to remember that the Monaco Blue is the most sought after NSX color.

Would I personally trade my car for an NSX? No way! But would I like to have an NSX along with the Viper, sure would as they are great cars.

True. In three years this NSX will not be in the 20's. The only NSX's in the 20's are the 1992's which are still in the mid to high 20's. NSX's depreciate from their sticker pretty fast but only to the point of about $70K. From then on they are slow to depreciated. A 2000 is probably still in the high 40's to low or mid $50's depending on condition and mileage. Great cars to buy used!

 

[Blue Batmobile]

I actually sold my '98 Viper RT/10 and bought a 2000 NSX-T. Even though the Viper was a really fun car, to be honest, I enjoy driving my NSX much more.

The Viper wins in accerlation, but the NSX is not slow by any means, like some people are saying. It will run a 4.5 0-60 mph. I do notice a difference, but not a huge difference.

In terms of every other aspect, I feel as though the Acura is superior.

Here's an example of the difference in engineering. I had the removable hardtop on the '98, which was a real pain. It can't be stored in the car, it was hard to get on and off, very noisy when on, etc. Just a plain afterthought. On the Acura, there are no afterthoughts. The removable hardtop is flush with the car, has no rattles and no noise, and stores right above the engine while driving. I am just amazed with the attention to detail.

If you want an extremely fast, loud, torquey american car the viper is the one for you. If want more out of the driving experience, I would suggest taking a look at the NSX.

Not to mention the nice cockpit .

Bat™

 

[sween]

never driven a viper nor a NSX but ive gotten rides. Sorry but they dont even compare (in my opinion). when I was in the viper (1998 rt-10) i got a lot more looks and it was like a Roller coster because it was so fast. The NSX (i think it was a 2000 but i dont remember) got looks but not as much as the viper, and the interior looks like it came from a 1995 honda civic, also the NSX was alot (alot) slower. the only performance that it won was handeling (but I bet a gen 3 viper will win in handeling). I had alot more fun in the viper.

 

[Andy 98 RT/10]

never driven a viper nor a NSX but ive gotten rides. Sorry but they dont even compare (in my opinion). when I was in the viper (1998 rt-10) i got a lot more looks and it was like a Roller coster because it was so fast. The NSX (i think it was a 2000 but i dont remember) got looks but not as much as the viper, and the interior looks like it came from a 1995 honda civic, also the NSX was alot (alot) slower. the only performance that it won was handeling (but I bet a gen 3 viper will win in handeling). I had alot more fun in the viper.

So says the wise man who has driven neither.

 

[viper GTS-R]

lol Andy

At my little viper photoshoot run up here, when we pulled into lot 14 at Roosevelt Park a red NSX was sitting there. Me and Aaron both agreed it was a great design it just lacked power.

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[Blue Batmobile]

The Black one w/ the body kit looks decent. That might turn as many heads as your Viper....maybe.

My buddy just sold his Gen II Viper and purchased a 2000 NSX-T. Initially, I told him that he will eventually miss the attention the Viper got when he gets the NSX. Well, let me tell you that the NSX, now that he is an owner and we drive around together on a constant basis, gets even more stares and more gawk than his previous red 98 RT/10 Viper. I did not think that would be the case, but I have witnessed this with my own eyes.

So in terms of looks, and from what I have seen, the NSX takes it.

It also depends on what part of the country you're in. I see more NSX's than Vipers around here in San Diego. Aside from our meets, I see Vipers around town.

Bat™

 

[Blue Batmobile]

The deal fell through. Looks like I'm keepin' the Viper for now... Now, on with the Big Brake Kit

Bat™

 

[Saint_Spinner]

Well? What happened?

 

[kcobean]

The deal fell through. Looks like I'm keepin' the Viper for now... Now, on with the Big Brake Kit

Bat™

The Viper gods were protecting you. They don't want you to stray from the flock.

 

[Anaconda]

never driven a viper nor a NSX but ive gotten rides.

Your input to this discussion is invaluable....

 

[Blue Batmobile]

The deal fell through. Looks like I'm keepin' the Viper for now... Now, on with the Big Brake Kit

Bat™

The Viper gods were protecting you. They don't want you to stray from the flock.

lol.

Bat™

 

[Qualitywires.com]

If the NSX is a car you have been thinking of getting, I would do it. When I decided to get the Lambo, it's a car I have always wanted. I now know the Lambo is nothing like the Viper at all...and I will be getting into another Viper soon. I would at least try it. You can always get another viper. By the way the NSX's in the pictures look awesome! It's not always about the 1/4 mile or power.

 

[Blue Batmobile]

Some good points. If the right NSX comes up with lower milage, I may take the plunge. In the meantime, I'm gonna enjoy the Vipe . BTW, how's the Lambo? Are you gonna keep it if you get another Viper?

Bat™

 

[V10SpeedLuvr]

Congrats on the no deal

 

[DodgeViper01]

Some good points. If the right NSX comes up with lower milage, I may take the plunge. In the meantime, I'm gonna enjoy the Vipe . BTW, how's the Lambo? Are you gonna keep it if you get another Viper?

Bat™

I was just wondering the same thing.