Martin D
Enthusiast
From a (for me) 3rd gear roll.......EVEN.
That was one fast bike.
Best Regards,
That was one fast bike.
Best Regards,
My 650R VS. Neighbors Boss Hoss 502.........
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ZX12
Enthusiast
Dang!
Now I'm gonna have a tougher time deciding bewteen buying the Viper or Boss! Was the Boss guy spinning his tire the entire time? When the local dealer showed us a WOT roll-on (at 40 mph, first gear)using a 350 hp small block, he was spinning the tire for a good distance, and was fighting to keep the bike going straight! (we went to 120 mph). It was awesome (of course, I kept right with him on the ZX-12). Traction is definitely the limiting factor on any of those V8 bikes (the 502 makes 570 ft pounds of torque, going to one tire, a 230-size Avon). I think I'm headed more toward buying the Boss at this time, it sounds like too much insanity on two wheels! Good race!
Now I'm gonna have a tougher time deciding bewteen buying the Viper or Boss! Was the Boss guy spinning his tire the entire time? When the local dealer showed us a WOT roll-on (at 40 mph, first gear)using a 350 hp small block, he was spinning the tire for a good distance, and was fighting to keep the bike going straight! (we went to 120 mph). It was awesome (of course, I kept right with him on the ZX-12). Traction is definitely the limiting factor on any of those V8 bikes (the 502 makes 570 ft pounds of torque, going to one tire, a 230-size Avon). I think I'm headed more toward buying the Boss at this time, it sounds like too much insanity on two wheels! Good race!
King GTS
Enthusiast
That bike must be really fast.
Martin D
Enthusiast
Yeah, it was pretty interesting....Especially since he and I have been smack talking for months! I was actually caught off guard for the whole race. I thought he was just a talker. But heck no. He saw me in the Venom and was ready to go..He got the jump on me. I really should have started in second gear. We were going 50 at the start. I have no doubt that under slightly different circumstances, I can pull on him.
He also has an old Pontiac with a 455 and a 200 shot of NOS. As he says, no need to for me to run that as his Boss Hoss is faster.
Our Vipers continue to amaze me. In optimal street conditions, with heads and cam, we are just about kings of the road.
Regards,
He also has an old Pontiac with a 455 and a 200 shot of NOS. As he says, no need to for me to run that as his Boss Hoss is faster.
Our Vipers continue to amaze me. In optimal street conditions, with heads and cam, we are just about kings of the road.
Regards,
Doug Supercharged Vipers
Enthusiast
Sounds like your car is very fast Martin. Some bikers don't realize how fast Vipers really are. Taking them by surprise is a real shocker to them.
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Martin D
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Nope, no video...
I was just driving down Winters Chappel Road and there he was making a left out of his subdivision - right in front of me.
As soon as the road straightened out, he jumped on it. Which took me by surprise! The guy is over 50 and I did not expect it...
Maybe an in car camera would be a good investment for me....I wonder how much weight that would ad!
Regards,
I was just driving down Winters Chappel Road and there he was making a left out of his subdivision - right in front of me.
As soon as the road straightened out, he jumped on it. Which took me by surprise! The guy is over 50 and I did not expect it...
Maybe an in car camera would be a good investment for me....I wonder how much weight that would ad!
Regards,
Supercharged Vipermad
Enthusiast
It could be used as evidence against you!!!
Supercharged Vipermad
Enthusiast
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Supercharged Vipermad
Enthusiast
I wonder if that Boss owner will be adding nitrous to his motor...
Actually, the 502 weighs around 1500 pounds wet, so it's weight to power ratio is 3:1. Nonetheless, I'm sure the biker was surprised to see the Viper right there with him! At higher speeds, the Boss is a brick, and the rider acts like a parachute, since there's no fairing to hide behind.
Although I don't do much road racing, I've ridden bikes for a long time, and todays sports cars are really formidable. I have a lot of respect for cars that can run with bikes. I've actually lost to a late model Corvette (I'll hang my head in shame) while on the ZX12, but it was because I spun the back tire really bad, the bike got 'squirrely', and lost concentration when the light turned green (there was no traffic to worry about). I could've caught him, but I would've needed to reach near triple digit speeds to pass him, and I 'aborted'. Road conditions can definitely influence who wins a race.
Does the guy want a re-match?
Actually, the 502 weighs around 1500 pounds wet, so it's weight to power ratio is 3:1. Nonetheless, I'm sure the biker was surprised to see the Viper right there with him! At higher speeds, the Boss is a brick, and the rider acts like a parachute, since there's no fairing to hide behind.
Although I don't do much road racing, I've ridden bikes for a long time, and todays sports cars are really formidable. I have a lot of respect for cars that can run with bikes. I've actually lost to a late model Corvette (I'll hang my head in shame) while on the ZX12, but it was because I spun the back tire really bad, the bike got 'squirrely', and lost concentration when the light turned green (there was no traffic to worry about). I could've caught him, but I would've needed to reach near triple digit speeds to pass him, and I 'aborted'. Road conditions can definitely influence who wins a race.
Does the guy want a re-match?
JimDavis MT 97GTS 650R
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"Unregistered" ? I didn't know unregistered people could post! Calling the US Board Patrol.....
i saw a few of those at laconia last year (i was there with my 2000 zx-12r- the first one in mass back in april of 2000).
i had the opportunity to look it up closely and i have two questions:
1. why in the world somebody would want to ride something like that? i can think of one reason but it is quite pathetic...
2. those things sure look like banged-up jobs for something that is hand-assembled and runs 30+k...
not a flame- just curious ...
alex
00 m5
few other cars
i had the opportunity to look it up closely and i have two questions:
1. why in the world somebody would want to ride something like that? i can think of one reason but it is quite pathetic...
2. those things sure look like banged-up jobs for something that is hand-assembled and runs 30+k...
not a flame- just curious ...
alex
00 m5
few other cars
Martin D
Enthusiast
Hey AJ,
Maybe I am kinda weird. I thought his bike looked awesome. What a paint job! Certainly not as sleek as your ZX or a Busa, but man that Gas Tank. It is Friggin H U G E. Not that I would want something like that, but I can certainly understand why somebody could. Relative exclusivity, braggin rights, and Tons of speed and power.
Regards,
Maybe I am kinda weird. I thought his bike looked awesome. What a paint job! Certainly not as sleek as your ZX or a Busa, but man that Gas Tank. It is Friggin H U G E. Not that I would want something like that, but I can certainly understand why somebody could. Relative exclusivity, braggin rights, and Tons of speed and power.
Regards,
Martin D
Enthusiast
Jerry,
I hope he wants a rematch....
I think I can take him!
Regards,
I hope he wants a rematch....
I think I can take him!
Regards,
rschiltz
Enthusiast
Anyone have any pics of this bike? I'm not familiar with it and don't think I've ever seen one.
Thanks,
Thanks,
KenH
Enthusiast
MES
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Actually, the 502 weighs around 1500 pounds wet, so it's weight to power ratio is 3:1
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That's power to weight at the engine but some of the Boss Hoss bikes have no transmission, yep just one gear. I don't know about the one you raced but that makes for a much slower bike than you would expect from a V-8
Actually, the 502 weighs around 1500 pounds wet, so it's weight to power ratio is 3:1
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That's power to weight at the engine but some of the Boss Hoss bikes have no transmission, yep just one gear. I don't know about the one you raced but that makes for a much slower bike than you would expect from a V-8
jamie furman
Enthusiast
If you haven't seen a boss hoss your not missing much they are butt ugly and I don't know why with that big motor, but they are not that fast for so much power.I was at the track watching a guy run 11's on one while a stock busa was running 9's.
The Hoss just has shock effect because of a v8, its hard to believe someone would be stupid enough to put a v8 in a bike frame and take away the nimbleness and handling you get from a bike and totally defeat the purpose it was meant to be.
Just my 2 cents.
The Hoss just has shock effect because of a v8, its hard to believe someone would be stupid enough to put a v8 in a bike frame and take away the nimbleness and handling you get from a bike and totally defeat the purpose it was meant to be.
Just my 2 cents.
ZX12
Enthusiast
The 502s have only been in production since the 2000 model year, and that was the year that the 2 speed auto was introduced. So chances are good that he had the two speed tranny, unless he retrofitted the 502 to the smaller frame, which takes some fabricating work. The second gear is a pretty high gear (numerically low) so it can get decent mileage (hopefully that guy was not in second gear during the race). The very first bikes had a manual clutch, that was later vacuum assisted. They had a one speed automatic tranny (with torque converter) prior to the 2 speed, but it had a 'compromise' gear ratio to allow decent acceleration and mileage.
The bike's performance limits have been mentioned by others, and it mostly stems from it's lack of aerodynamics, traction troubles from gobs of torque, lack of gear selections, and weight. Compared to the top hyperbikes, it doesn't handle nearly as well, doesn't stop as well, and definitely can't turn as good. But remember, the Boss was designed as a cruiser bike, and when was the last time you saw a cruiser bike that could handle as well as a sport bike? When I test drove the smaller Boss, it didn't handle as well as my buddy's Valkyrie did, but it was very predictable, comfortable and surprisingly forgiving. Race-bike performance is nice, but that's not what everyone wants all the time. I love my fast sportbikes, but there's those times when I'd rather be on a cruiser, just tooling down the road at a relaxed pace and enjoying the engine's music.
I'm sure most of you have had experiences with the older muscle cars. Many say they don't turn/brake as well as the Viper, but still like the brute tire-smoking power they had. The Boss is all about brute power (and comfort), and that's what makes it fun. The bike isn't the prettiest machine in the world, but it's basically a naked cruiser bike with an enormous engine and radiator. Too me, I think it looks pretty cool with the engine sitting there all exposed. I can't think of anyone who thinks the naked engine on a rail dragster looks ugly. The fuel tank is huge, but it just has to be.
I guess you just have to ride one to understand why someone would/could like one. It's actually more fun than you might think, especially when you can do a 100 foot burnout effortlessly. I'm gonna have one custom built with a 6-71 blown 700+ cubic inch Donovan aluminum big block, one of these days...
Sorry for the dissertation!
The bike's performance limits have been mentioned by others, and it mostly stems from it's lack of aerodynamics, traction troubles from gobs of torque, lack of gear selections, and weight. Compared to the top hyperbikes, it doesn't handle nearly as well, doesn't stop as well, and definitely can't turn as good. But remember, the Boss was designed as a cruiser bike, and when was the last time you saw a cruiser bike that could handle as well as a sport bike? When I test drove the smaller Boss, it didn't handle as well as my buddy's Valkyrie did, but it was very predictable, comfortable and surprisingly forgiving. Race-bike performance is nice, but that's not what everyone wants all the time. I love my fast sportbikes, but there's those times when I'd rather be on a cruiser, just tooling down the road at a relaxed pace and enjoying the engine's music.
I'm sure most of you have had experiences with the older muscle cars. Many say they don't turn/brake as well as the Viper, but still like the brute tire-smoking power they had. The Boss is all about brute power (and comfort), and that's what makes it fun. The bike isn't the prettiest machine in the world, but it's basically a naked cruiser bike with an enormous engine and radiator. Too me, I think it looks pretty cool with the engine sitting there all exposed. I can't think of anyone who thinks the naked engine on a rail dragster looks ugly. The fuel tank is huge, but it just has to be.
I guess you just have to ride one to understand why someone would/could like one. It's actually more fun than you might think, especially when you can do a 100 foot burnout effortlessly. I'm gonna have one custom built with a 6-71 blown 700+ cubic inch Donovan aluminum big block, one of these days...
Sorry for the dissertation!
Martin D
Enthusiast
Jamie,
I have run with several Busa's from a roll. And I can tell you, that the Hoss was every bit as fast. I would bet that one reason they don't time well in the 1/4 mile is traction. I am going to try to take a picture of the bike and I will post it.
Regards,
I have run with several Busa's from a roll. And I can tell you, that the Hoss was every bit as fast. I would bet that one reason they don't time well in the 1/4 mile is traction. I am going to try to take a picture of the bike and I will post it.
Regards,
TurboSnake
Enthusiast
A Hoss cannot hold a candle to a Busa or a ZX-12R,we ran against Monte Warne who is the owner of Boss Hoss,he brought out a 355 and a 502 Hoss,we had a ZX-12R which spanked both Hosses,but it is still a hard pulling bike,they definitely run better from a roll.
kowalski vanishing point
Enthusiast
Speed aside
seems like anyone riding in on a Boss Hoss
would be assumed to have larger cajones
than anyone riding in on any other bike.
seems like anyone riding in on a Boss Hoss
would be assumed to have larger cajones
than anyone riding in on any other bike.
2BADD 4U
Enthusiast
Kowalski!!! LOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!! HEY , why doesn't somebody just put the 502 motor on the ninga bike??? Now who has the biggest cajones??
KenH
Enthusiast
AJ, seems like an odd statement to make from someone looking to buy a Viper.
--- Ken
--- Ken
actually, come to think of it- not really
i am buying a viper because it has huge tunning potential- it has nothing to do with how it looks (my wife is the boss in that department
). the viper is trully the performance king from my prospective.
on the other hand, the hoss is not really a king of anything in the bike world (well, maybe weight, but that doesnt count). none of the reasons why people buy motorcycles applies to the hoss, except maybe the wind in the face part, but that would be a lame reason to buy a hoss
so the only reason to own one in my book is the p*nnis extension factor. ergo, the cajones size
alex
00 m5
few other cars
working on the deal for my first viper
on the other hand, the hoss is not really a king of anything in the bike world (well, maybe weight, but that doesnt count). none of the reasons why people buy motorcycles applies to the hoss, except maybe the wind in the face part, but that would be a lame reason to buy a hoss
alex
00 m5
few other cars
working on the deal for my first viper
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