My experience with Clark's Suspension in Lake Forest, CA

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My experience with Clark\'s Suspension in Lake Forest, CA

Clark seemed like a nice enough guy. He listened to me vaguely try to tell him about rear wheel caster, as if I knew what I was talking about. I asked him if he could align a Viper, and he said he could. When he asked around, he found there was an electronic gizmo at Tuttle Click's Chrysler Neighborhood Care, where you can check rear wheel caster, but adds that Tuttle Click Dodge lost theirs to a former employee. Back on topic...

Anyway, while the work is being done, he won't let me look at the Hunter alignment machine, to see where the camber and toe is reading out. He doesn't want me in his shop, so I have to look at the work being done from way across the floor. No big deal, its his shop, I'll have to trust the young guy who is actually doing the work. I noticed they are adjusting the eccentric cams with weight on the suspension. I guess that's ok, but I didn't see them "jounce" it to see where it came out after a bump alternately loads and unloads the rubber bushings. But I figure maybe I'm too picky about details, so I didn't mention it.

I was a happy camper up to this next point-

Here is what pissed me off about "Clark", the owner of the shop. When he gets it off the alignment rack, I am standing near the door to the vehicle bay, and he backs the car out, makes a three-point turn in the parking lot right where I am standing, then he just cruises off, to go for a test drive in my Viper all by himself. Now I know a lot of shops do this when you are not looking, but since there have been many reports on this board about strangers totalling customer's Vipers, I figure he should have told me he was going for a test drive and invited me to come, at least. So I call out to him as he is taxiing away from me in the lot-

~"CLARK"~

He stops the car, looking in the rear view mirror at me.

I come and open the passenger door, get in and say to him, "I'd like to go with you".

He acts like I am distrustful of him, gets visibly perturbed, and puts it in nuetral, pulls the ebrake, and gets out briskly, saying he was just checking to see if the steering wheel was straight. I didn't need him to tell me why he was test driving it, in fact, I expect him to test it, to check his employees work. But he felt he needed to offer that explanation, though unasked. Its obvious I have annoyed him by wanting to go on the test drive with him. That struck me kinda odd, because I have a keen interest in going along, to see what he observes about the car's handling. Maybe I can learn from his years of doing suspension work? But he seems pissed that I wouldn't let him go alone, and tells me to drive it myself, and walks away.

I drive it a bit, feels great, then bring it back to pay the bill. He checks me out quickly, saying little, then hands me the paperwork hurriedly, and says "see ya", like "hit the road", sorta in that tone of voice. He acts like he doesn't want me to come back.

So I'm the bad guy for wanting to go along on the test drive in my own car. Sure, I'm a real bade man. I shoulda let him just drive it by himself, so he could jump on it to see what it feels like, then maybe wrap it around a pole. Doesn't matter if he was Mario Andretti, he should have offered to take me along, that would have been the right thing to do, and not just drive by me without even telling me he was going, what he was doing, no, he just drives my car right by me for his own personal little unattended test drive. That was rude, not to at least invite me along on the test drive, but he just leaves me standing there. Isn't this how a lot of customer's cars get totalled by unfamiliar maintenance mechanic's? Don't I have the right to come along, when someone drives my Viper? Of course I do! But Clark thinks differently, and gets pissed if you wanna go with. How dare I want to go along with him! I'm so unreasonable like that.

Word to the wise.
 

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Re: My experience with Clark\'s Suspension in Lake Forest, CA

Some people just don't realize that we almost idolize these cars. Oh well, they probably don't have that much invested in their entire mobile home, let alone their car.

I'm fortunate in that the tire store (Big O) right down the street from me has a computerized alignment rack (yes Vic even in the sticks of Riverside) and can provide print outs, and do so without taking a test drive or providing attitude.

peace!

Art
 

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Re: My experience with Clark\'s Suspension in Lake Forest, CA

Vic, your experience is a classic. It seems like it's always a tradeoff between simply trusting the techs and hoping they know what they are doing, and attempting to observe/verify the work yourself.

Of course, they all act like they are experts, and are indignant at your 'obsessive' attention which is understandable *IF* they know what they are doing, but not all of them do. And of course, some owners are clueless as well (not saying you are, just taking the techs position), so it can end up being a real problem.

What if the owner AND the tech are clueless? Answer, the owner is screwed. So, you *have* too worry about it, because it is your car....

I don't have an answer for you, other then my sumpathy - I totally understand.

Jim
 
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Re: My experience with Clark\'s Suspension in Lake Forest, CA

Gunny, glad to hear you got someone close by to take care of ya. I would have taken it to EMI, Eric Messley, Viper Guru and President of All Things Viper Related, but his laser alignment tools are being upgraded at the moment.

When Eric did my track alignment, he took me for the test drive. Don't do this on an empty stomach! He provided a print out, too, which was nice.

Jim, you know, I really do my best not to communicate obsessive behavior towards the techs. You know they can spot that a mile away! And it sets them on edge. Sometimes I nonchalantly turn my back on them, as if to say, "I know you won't cross thread that bolt, because you are a competent person". Then I spin around to see if I am right. Its mental torture, letting people touch my baby. Maybe if they had some sedatives in the customer's lounge, that might help relieve my anguish. Thanks for your sumpathy. :-D
 

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Re: My experience with Clark\'s Suspension in Lake Forest, CA

Vic, my brother...

I can relate to you 100%. "You" are the owner of the Viper , not some so called manager who wants to "play" with your car. You call the shots. And that is the way it is! You did right in every way!

I know how it feels when work is being done, and your stomach is in a knot. No matter "what" My Viper is in a garage for....... I tell the owner/mgr. of the shop that NO ONE drives my Viper. And I am there watching over everything, so no accidental scratches/damages happen. I actually insulted a Monroe Muffler guy/mgr. last year when I was getting an inspection...he said " give me the keys" I said sorry Joe, nothing personal, but no one drives the car but me.

Oh his ******* must have gotten twisted, because he made a face and I just laughed it off. And he was just going to pull it in a bay from the parking lot, and I refused him. So I feel the same way...accidents do happed with these cars, and some bozo can kiss a pole or rip your front end off taking it on the wrong lift.

Yes, it is mental torture...but do everything in your power to over see the repairs. YOU call the shots!


You did right...kept your cool and you were assertive!!! :2tu:

Dave
 

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Re: My experience with Clark\'s Suspension in Lake Forest, CA

Vic,

You were absolutly corect, and have nothing to feel bad about. The guy wanted to experience your car all by him self plain and simple. If it ended up on the bus bench he would have probably made YOUR insurance pay for it.

Besides, how is he supposed to know what a viper feels like with the proper alignment? It is your job to drive the car and tell him what it is doing wrong.
 
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Re: My experience with Clark\'s Suspension in Lake Forest, CA

Thanks, guys...I'm over it now! :-D
 

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Re: My experience with Clark\'s Suspension in Lake Forest, CA

Damn Vic, gonna take that one off my list. ***** cause i'm still looking for a shop that will allign my truck with the 20's on it. Seems nobody wants to touch them in fear of the equipment damaging them. (note, these are not stock wheels, pretty nice billet stuff)
 

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Re: My experience with Clark\'s Suspension in Lake Forest, CA

The mechanic that wrecked my first GTS raced 800hp Sprint cars and still caused 20k worth of damage to my car......I can understand how you feel.
 

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