sween
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This whole week has been a joke. What's next? Gonna limit how many post one can make a day????
thats gonna be bad for me.
MY SIGNATURE IS IN VIOLATION ??? What Gives ??
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thats gonna be bad for me.
Warfang
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no kidding... I thought I was bad, but you got me beat 8 months AFTER I came aboard.This whole week has been a joke. What's next? Gonna limit how many post one can make a day????
thats gonna be bad for me.
DodgeViper01
Enthusiast
This whole week has been a joke. What's next? Gonna limit how many post one can make a day????
thats gonna be bad for me.
LOL!
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2002_Viper_GTS_ACR
Enthusiast
STU and Luc... great posts.
I kept quiet for a bit, to make sure my rant wasnt unhead of, but you both articulated similar perspectives to mine, better then I think I could. Appeciate that.
And to answer to Joseph, I do not know that your options are bad ones, but I still dont get how mine is so aweful, the problem I have with yours is that it only gives details of where you got your car, not if you are satisfied with the service. Lets face it, we all want to know where to buy our cars at a great price, and with great service, just as we want to know good vendors and bad vendors. I just dont get how what I was doing was wrong.
I'm hoping this is a board for its members, by its members. Lets work to govern ourself. Why not ask what we prefer, I'd be ok with a vote from the members, and what is decided is the direction we go. I believe in democracy, not dictatorship.
Jon
I kept quiet for a bit, to make sure my rant wasnt unhead of, but you both articulated similar perspectives to mine, better then I think I could. Appeciate that.
And to answer to Joseph, I do not know that your options are bad ones, but I still dont get how mine is so aweful, the problem I have with yours is that it only gives details of where you got your car, not if you are satisfied with the service. Lets face it, we all want to know where to buy our cars at a great price, and with great service, just as we want to know good vendors and bad vendors. I just dont get how what I was doing was wrong.
I'm hoping this is a board for its members, by its members. Lets work to govern ourself. Why not ask what we prefer, I'd be ok with a vote from the members, and what is decided is the direction we go. I believe in democracy, not dictatorship.
Jon
If you want to see some REALLY WILD posts, go to www.cafepharma.com . That's the anonymous post board for all of the pharmaceutical reps to blow off steam.........WOW!!!!!! CROM
Viper Owner
Sorry, I meant his Vaseline post.
CitySnake
Enthusiast
This is the quintessential .org v. .com argument. Heck, I took a sabbatical from this site for a time and was involved, to a small extent, in setting up some of the guidelines over at the Alley (where I still moderate). So, I truly, have a rather unique perspective on this issue.
Not surprisingly, I see both sides of the argument. It's a classic freedom of speech compromise....only here at the VCA, yelling fire in a crowded theatre is akin to insulting an income contributing sponsor. Maintaining a "reasonable" balance is NOT an easy task made even more difficult by the fact that "reasonable" is never a fixed measure.
Much of the "Alley uprising" came about as a result of the VCA site censorship AND the incendiary distinct lack of communication at that time. I'd like to think that, at a minimum, the second ingredient (communication) is much improved.
Unfortunately, there is no absolute "fix." If the site is to operate, it must earn the income necessary to support itself. Though some have expressed an opinion in this thread that they'd pay more in dues to support this site (potentially eliminating the need for sponsors), that opinion is not held by the majority of VCA members. So, income generating site sponsors remain. And yes, to some extent, they will influence site admin decisions. Again, it comes down to maintaining a reasonable balance...which often has the appeal of "kissing your sister...."
Personally, I would prefer the site to be operated with far less censorship (and perhaps a far greater sense of humor), however, I respect and appreciate the fact that the line has to be drawn somewhere. And regardless of where, it will ALWAYS create SOME frustration and dissention. Such is life.
BTW- Despite my position as a region officer, my opinion does not in any way represent that of the VCA.
Not surprisingly, I see both sides of the argument. It's a classic freedom of speech compromise....only here at the VCA, yelling fire in a crowded theatre is akin to insulting an income contributing sponsor. Maintaining a "reasonable" balance is NOT an easy task made even more difficult by the fact that "reasonable" is never a fixed measure.
Much of the "Alley uprising" came about as a result of the VCA site censorship AND the incendiary distinct lack of communication at that time. I'd like to think that, at a minimum, the second ingredient (communication) is much improved.
Unfortunately, there is no absolute "fix." If the site is to operate, it must earn the income necessary to support itself. Though some have expressed an opinion in this thread that they'd pay more in dues to support this site (potentially eliminating the need for sponsors), that opinion is not held by the majority of VCA members. So, income generating site sponsors remain. And yes, to some extent, they will influence site admin decisions. Again, it comes down to maintaining a reasonable balance...which often has the appeal of "kissing your sister...."
Personally, I would prefer the site to be operated with far less censorship (and perhaps a far greater sense of humor), however, I respect and appreciate the fact that the line has to be drawn somewhere. And regardless of where, it will ALWAYS create SOME frustration and dissention. Such is life.
BTW- Despite my position as a region officer, my opinion does not in any way represent that of the VCA.
Cop Magnet
Enthusiast
I'm sorry, but I take offense to that. Clearly it is a self-promoting comment you are making. In contrast, it makes me look like a schmuck, because I haven't bought a Viper for anyone. That's absolutely unfair, and I am going to ask that your signature be modified. After all, if we can't promote others, we shouldn't be allowed to promote ourselves!
I agree!!! So I vote 1 vote to ban Jon Assvedo off this board!
Mike Brunton
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This whole issue shouldn't be such a big deal.
To the original poster, the problem IMO is not that you say you are happy with your dealer, it was that you were SOLICITING customers for that dealer and as such you are pretty much acting in the manner of a salesman.
I cant imagine anyone would have a problem with a sig like "I got my Viper at Hendrick Dodge and I was happy 100%". But *soliciting* more business for them makes you a salesman, whether paid or not paid, and while we can disagree with the severity of the transgression, its pretty clear that it does step on the toes of paying advertisers.
The rule should be clear - being happy about a non-sponsoring vendor is fine, saying you are happy is fine. Soliciting on behalf of said vendor, or continuously talking about said vendor in a manner that solicits additional business should be a no-no. I would argue that just putting a vendor name in a sig is not 'continously talking about a vendor'. I would define that sort of solicitation as deliberately dragging up old threads to mention said vendor, or steering topics towards discussions of said vendor.
Don't solicit business on their behalf and it should be ok.
To the original poster, the problem IMO is not that you say you are happy with your dealer, it was that you were SOLICITING customers for that dealer and as such you are pretty much acting in the manner of a salesman.
I cant imagine anyone would have a problem with a sig like "I got my Viper at Hendrick Dodge and I was happy 100%". But *soliciting* more business for them makes you a salesman, whether paid or not paid, and while we can disagree with the severity of the transgression, its pretty clear that it does step on the toes of paying advertisers.
The rule should be clear - being happy about a non-sponsoring vendor is fine, saying you are happy is fine. Soliciting on behalf of said vendor, or continuously talking about said vendor in a manner that solicits additional business should be a no-no. I would argue that just putting a vendor name in a sig is not 'continously talking about a vendor'. I would define that sort of solicitation as deliberately dragging up old threads to mention said vendor, or steering topics towards discussions of said vendor.
Don't solicit business on their behalf and it should be ok.
Supercharged Vipermad
Enthusiast
WHOA!!!! Blast from the PAST!!! How the he(( are you Mike????!!!
Lee00blacksilverGTS
Enthusiast
Let me be the second to say Blast from the Past!!
Welcome back!
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2002_Viper_GTS_ACR
Enthusiast
TO Blast From the past.
Thanks for your opinion. I disagree though. I dont think there is ANYTHING wrong with stating I have had excellent service with someone I bought something from and recommending you do too, if you are in such a need.
Under this model, let me NOT recommend that you get Gas from BP right? I mean we have even recommend each other buy gas from a certain gas station, because we feel its better quality, and warned about buying it from other places.
Next, oil, how many times have we recommended what oil people should use? Tranny fluid? etc... Are they all paying Viper Club ?? Because if they are I'll shut the hell up. This is picking and chosing in my opinion. And thats all this is, eveyones opinion, just like the recommendations.
So I take it, now Viperclub will determine which recommendations are allowed? Got it.. makes total Bull$hit $ense to me... but yeah, got it.
Thanks all..
Jon
PS. AB I vote you lick my ball bearings. And go back your boyfriend's wheel bearing greese.
Thanks for your opinion. I disagree though. I dont think there is ANYTHING wrong with stating I have had excellent service with someone I bought something from and recommending you do too, if you are in such a need.
Under this model, let me NOT recommend that you get Gas from BP right? I mean we have even recommend each other buy gas from a certain gas station, because we feel its better quality, and warned about buying it from other places.
Next, oil, how many times have we recommended what oil people should use? Tranny fluid? etc... Are they all paying Viper Club ?? Because if they are I'll shut the hell up. This is picking and chosing in my opinion. And thats all this is, eveyones opinion, just like the recommendations.
So I take it, now Viperclub will determine which recommendations are allowed? Got it.. makes total Bull$hit $ense to me... but yeah, got it.
Thanks all..
Jon
PS. AB I vote you lick my ball bearings. And go back your boyfriend's wheel bearing greese.
PS. AB I vote you lick my ball bearings. And go back your boyfriend's wheel bearing greese.
Hey sensative boy toy....the comment above....is that after you pull your finger out and have the the finger licking good experience that you would like to lick my ball bearngs? You may want to put that wheel bearing grease on your buddies finger when he sticks it in sideways...might make a better experience for your sensative asss. LOL! Putz!
Anthony,
IF you're serious.... not sure, as your part of a rather sarcastic topic... you can e-mail Jay and he'll e-mail you the very competitive rates.
IF you're serious.... not sure, as your part of a rather sarcastic topic... you can e-mail Jay and he'll e-mail you the very competitive rates.
Thanks Mike..... and WELCOME BACK!!!!
Big Medicine
Enthusiast
Let's move on.
Toby
Enthusiast
Is there a movie on this flight?
Anthony - 98 GTS
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2002_Viper_GTS_ACR
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Anthony,
IF you're serious.... not sure, as your part of a rather sarcastic topic... you can e-mail Jay and he'll e-mail you the very competitive rates.
my topic is sarcastic??
Sure AB came in talking his usual weak trash, and I just reminded him of how he loves boys ... no biggy...
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