Need Help ! Driveability problem ! Code 1391/0108 Hard acceleration only?

viperrt96

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I've been having this drivability problem that I've been working on now for a few weeks. Looks like I got to turn to the professionals. If not here I'll have to take it to a mechanic for the first time in 5 years of ownership.

First thing First

The only codes I get are:

P-1391 Manufacture specific (manual says intermittent loss of Crank or Cam position) less than .5 volts

P-0108 Map/Baro High input signal

I think the 108 I get because the engine dies while under acceleration and the MAP voltage goes up when the vacuum drops.

Here is the drivability problem.

When the code is cleared and I drive the car easy. It runs Ok and no problems.

If at anytime I Blip the throttle (quick acceleration ant at RPM's above 5000) the engine cuts off (tach signal goes to zero) and then engine comes back on. It's like turning off and on the motor. Car bucks of course and check engine light comes on

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Now this first happened on a Dyno Run I did a few weeks back. It had a quick blip @ 5200 and it was for only a quick second (reflected on the pull). The Dyno operator asked What was that? I dunno? Never done that before. He hooked up his Snap on OBDII reader and recorded. We did three more pulls. It never did it again. No problem found? He said well whatever it is I'm sure it will raise its ugly head.

Well it did. I went to the dragstrip two days later and on my 4th pass it did that exact same thing but for only a quick second. No check engine light yet. The very next run (5th pass) and under quick acceleration (of course) it was magnified. Tach went to Zero,car bucked engine back on and Check engine light on. I was able to drive it home. I just had to baby it.

I checked the manual and noticed the Crank,Cam,TPS and Map sensor are all tied together. I decided just to replace all four sensors new. I still have the same problem. I know I set the air gap correctly for the cam sensor. I have another stock ECM and it does the same thing with that one. So it's not the ECM. I'm thinking I got a short? Do I get a lab scope and monitor Crank and cam signal pattern? I don't know. I have a good mechanic friend and he says that when he sees that kind of code it's a bad timing chain? I just put a new one on it this winter when I went thru the motor. It ran fine then. The condition I have seems to have come on slow. It's now here to stay. Any Ideas or suggestions?
 

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Sounds like a short to me? Now comes the fun part, finding it! Start looking where ever the harnesses goes around things. It could be a small as a pin hole! I found a short one time from a little piece of the welding wire on a weld that poked through a harness! :eek: Good Luck!
 
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How did you find the short? lab scope ? checking wires for resistance ?

I can get the whole engine wiring harness new for around $300. I was thinking about replacing that but then again with my luck that wouldn't be it :p
 

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Re: Need Help ! Driveability problem ! Code 1391/0108 Hard acceleration onl

Wasn't there a problem with some wires as they run over the transmission. It would wear through the insulation and cause a short? I seem to remember a thread on this a while back.
 

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How did you find the short? lab scope ? checking wires for resistance ?

I can get the whole engine wiring harness new for around $300. I was thinking about replacing that but then again with my luck that wouldn't be it :p

It wasn't easy and it did it when moving!
You may have the answer already? You said it only sets the code under hard acceleration. Think about that, what is moving? The harness tied down to the frame is most likley NOT moving. How about between the motor and frame?
 

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