Chuck 98 RT/10
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Would another 5 grand put you in the 9s? Might be an investment. But the tracks are gonna require a cage for that - even Bradenton recently.
Porsche 996 race.... for 5,000 potentially!!!
- Thread starter Gerald
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Hmmmmm..............he wants to race, huh? Well, tell him you pick the track and have an uninterested party hold the funds for you two. Now drag his butt to Moroso, or Sebring, and do a road course. Get Sean Roe, or Altenburg, or Archer , or Woodhouse, and bingo you can watch his hind end kiss a wall in the sweepers. He said race, he didn't say dragrace, right?
HogWhisperer
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by allanlambo:
again, just because you were pulling on a gt2 in the corners means nothing. how do you know what the driver is capable of? maybe he was good maybe he was bad? in real world race events, not viper days, porsches win lots of races.not saying the viper is not capable of winning, but on any given day it comes down to many different conditions.
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Once again, Allan, you seem to have a hard time believing that Vipers can win on the street or the track. In the 1999 and 2000 World Challenge series, I watched Bobby Archer repeatedly spank Peter Kitchek in his factory backed Porsche. In 2000, he beat him in several races with restrictors, additional weight and smaller than stock tires. Sorry you find it so hard to believe.
again, just because you were pulling on a gt2 in the corners means nothing. how do you know what the driver is capable of? maybe he was good maybe he was bad? in real world race events, not viper days, porsches win lots of races.not saying the viper is not capable of winning, but on any given day it comes down to many different conditions.
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Once again, Allan, you seem to have a hard time believing that Vipers can win on the street or the track. In the 1999 and 2000 World Challenge series, I watched Bobby Archer repeatedly spank Peter Kitchek in his factory backed Porsche. In 2000, he beat him in several races with restrictors, additional weight and smaller than stock tires. Sorry you find it so hard to believe.
racing him without knowing his car is stupid. learn what he drives and then decide. for all you know it could be a tubed out rwd 996 with 800+ rwhp running 9s at 150+...
unleast somebody here provides some insides of his 996- this whole thread is useless..
alex
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few other cars
unleast somebody here provides some insides of his 996- this whole thread is useless..
alex
02 gts
few other cars
HP
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AJ:
racing him without knowing his car is stupid. learn what he drives and then decide. for all you know it could be a tubed out rwd 996 with 800+ rwhp running 9s at 150+...
unleast somebody here provides some insides of his 996- this whole thread is useless..
alex
02 gts
few other cars
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That would be like a poker game, with everyone knowing what is
held. It kind of takes the fun out of it.
racing him without knowing his car is stupid. learn what he drives and then decide. for all you know it could be a tubed out rwd 996 with 800+ rwhp running 9s at 150+...
unleast somebody here provides some insides of his 996- this whole thread is useless..
alex
02 gts
few other cars
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That would be like a poker game, with everyone knowing what is
held. It kind of takes the fun out of it.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by allanlambo:
is bmp = bradington? if so i know both those porsches and their owners well. one is hispanic, and the other is middle eastern looking. both are 9 second cars with huge mph.
i was not bad mouthing viper days.
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Yep, BMP is Bradenton. I've talked to a guy from Orlando that knows these guys also.
is bmp = bradington? if so i know both those porsches and their owners well. one is hispanic, and the other is middle eastern looking. both are 9 second cars with huge mph.
i was not bad mouthing viper days.
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Yep, BMP is Bradenton. I've talked to a guy from Orlando that knows these guys also.
allanlambo
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here is avideo of the slower porsche taking it easy of line. http://www.teamkryptic.com/media/videos/Moroso_042402_porshe_running_10s-dme.mpg
Vic
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by allanlambo:
here is avideo of the slower porsche taking it easy of line. http://www.teamkryptic.com/media/videos/Moroso_042402_porshe_running_10s-dme.mpg
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What kind of time did that other car run? I think it was a Mopar, maybe a Charger.
here is avideo of the slower porsche taking it easy of line. http://www.teamkryptic.com/media/videos/Moroso_042402_porshe_running_10s-dme.mpg
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What kind of time did that other car run? I think it was a Mopar, maybe a Charger.
Vreracing
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Awesome race.
I culled these pictures. Maybe they will help answer the question.
I culled these pictures. Maybe they will help answer the question.
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Vic
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No, they don't. That shot just before the pole obscures the time board is just the reaction time.
1TONY1
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Is this the car and is THAT all it has ? peeyuu As far as easy off the line...maybe thats his only choice, breakage, not hooking in a balls out start. Sure the mph was great but it won't win a drag race.
Vreracing
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I see what you mean.
Pretty painful. Just at the time the time would have been shown there's that darn pole.
Maybe we could email [email protected] to find out.
Pretty painful. Just at the time the time would have been shown there's that darn pole.
Maybe we could email [email protected] to find out.
allanlambo
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thats him taking it easy out of the hole and not getting on it till comfortably in 2nd. car has made many 9 second passes, and again this is the slower of the 2.
Gerald,
Looks like i missed out on all the fun the past weekend, Where did you guys hang out, it rained all night Saturday here in Tampa so I stayed home, was it Friday you went out?
As to running this guy for $5,000.00 you've got to be nuts if you do
, there are too many variables in such a short race, what happens if you jump him off the line & beat him by a cheese burger, you can hear it now, well you jump me off the line, i'm not paying, or i missed 3rd gear, thats not a full race, all the usual BS that can go on in a "sanctioned" street race.
If he wants to run, make it a couple hundered, but a few grand, that's daft.
If you have some decent tyres on your car, you'll be fine, hell, the only guys that want to race my car now are Rodney with the Chevelle (Any idea what he runs?) & the BB Nova.
If you can get him to run from a roll, do it, you'll eliminate all the problems that go with launching on concrete. Running from a roll is all about HP, I can almost bet hands down, you'll win this department.
If he don;t want to run you, then you know i will, i've still not seen your car, but know i'll like it.
If you get anything arranged, you let us know, i'll bring the ZR-1 out and give you some moral support!
Kurt.
415" ZR-1 W/ 150 Shot of NOS
Looks like i missed out on all the fun the past weekend, Where did you guys hang out, it rained all night Saturday here in Tampa so I stayed home, was it Friday you went out?
As to running this guy for $5,000.00 you've got to be nuts if you do
, there are too many variables in such a short race, what happens if you jump him off the line & beat him by a cheese burger, you can hear it now, well you jump me off the line, i'm not paying, or i missed 3rd gear, thats not a full race, all the usual BS that can go on in a "sanctioned" street race.If he wants to run, make it a couple hundered, but a few grand, that's daft.
If you have some decent tyres on your car, you'll be fine, hell, the only guys that want to race my car now are Rodney with the Chevelle (Any idea what he runs?) & the BB Nova.
If you can get him to run from a roll, do it, you'll eliminate all the problems that go with launching on concrete. Running from a roll is all about HP, I can almost bet hands down, you'll win this department.
If he don;t want to run you, then you know i will
, i've still not seen your car, but know i'll like it.If you get anything arranged, you let us know, i'll bring the ZR-1 out and give you some moral support!
Kurt.
415" ZR-1 W/ 150 Shot of NOS
Makara
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vreracing:
Awesome race.
I culled these pictures. Maybe they will help answer the question.
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10.9? Ha. I have a friend with a wicked WRX that would cream him.
Awesome race.
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10.9? Ha. I have a friend with a wicked WRX that would cream him.
allanlambo
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i'd give you the opposite advice. the porsche is tricky off the line, i dont now what you run in the quarter, but if its close, youll have a chance. on a roll, this is where these cars are monsters and will run balls to the wall. as was said hp wins races, they have hp, combined with light weight. they prefer to race on a roll, and im going to say this, even though im going to get bashed for this, they will kill you. just watch that video, this is the slower of the two cars, it went easy off the line, shifted second and halfway through 2nd got on it, and still ran almost 138 through the quarter. i know vipers are fast, but you need a pretty mean viper to run 138 through the quarter. before you say it, i know doug levin ran i think 150 through the quarter. when the silver car launches for real at the drag strip, it lifts the front wheels 4 feet in the air. i have a picture somewhere of it.
Gerald
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I'm thinking of not even calling him. you guys know I"m not a drag racer, just on the street when the time calls for it.
You might be right, he could have the fastest TT Porsche tuner package ever made.. Will I gamble hard earned 5k cash on it??
Nope..
Does anyone want to drive my car and make 5k ? You can keep all the winnings!! But if you loose, you pay..! Lets see, plane ticket down here, 700 bucks. You can stay for free and my place or Chucks place (right Chuck?) and perhaps fly home 5,000 richer!
hhahahah
Gerald
You might be right, he could have the fastest TT Porsche tuner package ever made.. Will I gamble hard earned 5k cash on it??
Nope..
Does anyone want to drive my car and make 5k ? You can keep all the winnings!! But if you loose, you pay..! Lets see, plane ticket down here, 700 bucks. You can stay for free and my place or Chucks place (right Chuck?) and perhaps fly home 5,000 richer!
hhahahah
Gerald
Mike Brunton
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Gerald,
The Vipers are one of the very very few cars where they can be wickedly quick, yet look totally stock. I personally do not believe this is true of the 911's. I don't think there are many/any 911's out there making 900hp that look just like stock cars.
If the car looks and sounds mostly stock, chances are he has upped the boost a bit, or maybe swapped out the turbos, or something of the kind. That's not enough game to take you. To take you out, a 911 is looking at major motor work.
If the guy honestly didn't care whether he ran you or SlowChuck, he probably had no idea what you were packing. He must be pretty confident of winning against a stock or lightly modded Viper - so my guess is he can routinely run mid 11's at the low 120's at the track. In a 1/4 mile race, a GOOD launch can make up for easily 1/2 or even a full second of time. He most likely WILL get a good launch.
I predict he would get you off the line... then you'd be playing catch up. Could you catch up by 1/4? I dunno.
It's really tempting... however you have to remember that running a 10 second car on the street ain't easy... it's hard to run better than something like a low 11 on the street anyways, regardless of how fast the car is. I have a hard time believing anyone could be this sure of winning - so I am 95% sure he was BSing you. I bet if you call him and tell him you want to race for $1k instead of 5, and at the track, he will back down. I bet he was all talk. I'm working on my Vette right now - with some tuning, I believe we can get it into the 1200hp range at the rear wheels. If YOU walked up to me and I had no idea who you were, and said you wanted to race me for $5k, even with the Vette I would be nervous, because I'd be thinking "how can he be sooo confident unless he's fast as ****????". It's an intimidation tactic. NOBODY wants to lose $5k - he knows that.
The Vipers are one of the very very few cars where they can be wickedly quick, yet look totally stock. I personally do not believe this is true of the 911's. I don't think there are many/any 911's out there making 900hp that look just like stock cars.
If the car looks and sounds mostly stock, chances are he has upped the boost a bit, or maybe swapped out the turbos, or something of the kind. That's not enough game to take you. To take you out, a 911 is looking at major motor work.
If the guy honestly didn't care whether he ran you or SlowChuck, he probably had no idea what you were packing. He must be pretty confident of winning against a stock or lightly modded Viper - so my guess is he can routinely run mid 11's at the low 120's at the track. In a 1/4 mile race, a GOOD launch can make up for easily 1/2 or even a full second of time. He most likely WILL get a good launch.
I predict he would get you off the line... then you'd be playing catch up. Could you catch up by 1/4? I dunno.
It's really tempting... however you have to remember that running a 10 second car on the street ain't easy... it's hard to run better than something like a low 11 on the street anyways, regardless of how fast the car is. I have a hard time believing anyone could be this sure of winning - so I am 95% sure he was BSing you. I bet if you call him and tell him you want to race for $1k instead of 5, and at the track, he will back down. I bet he was all talk. I'm working on my Vette right now - with some tuning, I believe we can get it into the 1200hp range at the rear wheels. If YOU walked up to me and I had no idea who you were, and said you wanted to race me for $5k, even with the Vette I would be nervous, because I'd be thinking "how can he be sooo confident unless he's fast as ****????". It's an intimidation tactic. NOBODY wants to lose $5k - he knows that.
allanlambo
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actually, porsches packing 900hp can and do look stock. especially the ones that pack that punch into an older narrow bodied car. there was a guy who did it to a 83 911 sc. completely stock, door dings dents and all. they also dont sound any different than any 911 with exhaust. they dont have a lumpy idle either. some do run straight pipes, no mufflers at all, and those are very noisy. also to clarify on the porsche power it is rear wheel hp, not flywheel. i dont understand why you guys cant believe a porsche can make that power? look at the supras. they make huge power and are still docile daily drivers.
MadMaxx
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The beauty of a huffer.
GN... need I say more? TOoooo many 9 second daily drivers out there in the GN/TType world.
MM
GN... need I say more? TOoooo many 9 second daily drivers out there in the GN/TType world.
MM
allanlambo
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heres an article on eddie bello's porsche. http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0BUX/4_31/60136603/p1/article.jhtml
if you read the article youll see his runs are made on street tires, his car was driven to and from track events, like from new jersey to florida. his best run to date is an 8.80@168mph. he was also arrested for running a chop shop.
if you read the article youll see his runs are made on street tires, his car was driven to and from track events, like from new jersey to florida. his best run to date is an 8.80@168mph. he was also arrested for running a chop shop.
I've seen the silver and Balck porshce that belongs to the chinesse guy at Bradenton once.
The silver car broke at the line. The balck car run 10.5 at 142 mph best of day. He wnet easy out of the whole for the 60 ft. and got on it in first and on!.. I was impressed he drove the car home.
Now the Edie bello porshe was a race car in my pinion and sometimes whet through motors at events.
Anybody can strap a 500 hp kit on a stock Viper, run two passes
post sick Mph and do a rebuild... Get my point?
A lot of times this internet stuff gets way overrated.. behind the Top dogs that run once or twice (blow up, and we never hear about it because they never tell), fix it up and run it again.
How many rimes do we hear the " my car should, couda, woulda run this or that, because such and such car runs this or that...
Line them up and lets see. Gerald you are making sick Hp, I would not bet 5000, but I'd call the guy and tell him you run from a roll, for 200 bucks, because your viper is stock!
Don't get intimidated by the shouda, coulda, woulda and the Eddie Bellos'shadow.. run THAT car and see what he's got.
You got a fast car man.... you will not be embarrased.
BTW, last time I palyed dumb I really embarrased a cocky 996 owner that thought he was ll that.. blew him away!!!
The story was al over the net!.. turned out his car was not all that fast to me, and he was the one who did not know what a fast car really is.
BRING IT!!
The silver car broke at the line. The balck car run 10.5 at 142 mph best of day. He wnet easy out of the whole for the 60 ft. and got on it in first and on!.. I was impressed he drove the car home.
Now the Edie bello porshe was a race car in my pinion and sometimes whet through motors at events.
Anybody can strap a 500 hp kit on a stock Viper, run two passes
post sick Mph and do a rebuild... Get my point?
A lot of times this internet stuff gets way overrated.. behind the Top dogs that run once or twice (blow up, and we never hear about it because they never tell), fix it up and run it again.
How many rimes do we hear the " my car should, couda, woulda run this or that, because such and such car runs this or that...
Line them up and lets see. Gerald you are making sick Hp, I would not bet 5000, but I'd call the guy and tell him you run from a roll, for 200 bucks, because your viper is stock!
Don't get intimidated by the shouda, coulda, woulda and the Eddie Bellos'shadow.. run THAT car and see what he's got.
You got a fast car man.... you will not be embarrased.
BTW, last time I palyed dumb I really embarrased a cocky 996 owner that thought he was ll that.. blew him away!!!
The story was al over the net!.. turned out his car was not all that fast to me, and he was the one who did not know what a fast car really is.
BRING IT!!
I'm quoting from the article about eddie Bello's"
"Eddie bought a 1994 Turbo motor, made the swap and headed for the track. With everything in stock form, the first run was a disappointing 12.2 sec. At 112 mph. Disappointing to Eddie, anyway. He started poking around to see why it wasn't faster.
Subsequent checks revealed that one of the two fuel pumps wasn't working. With a fuse replaced the next day, Eddie tripped the clocks with an 11.90 sec. At 119mph"
This is the kind of Internet BS that I'm talking about. Atock 94 turbo motor with a good fuel pump fuse trappng 119 mph..
I guess all the new 996 $120000 porsche owner are being robbed!
"Eddie bought a 1994 Turbo motor, made the swap and headed for the track. With everything in stock form, the first run was a disappointing 12.2 sec. At 112 mph. Disappointing to Eddie, anyway. He started poking around to see why it wasn't faster.
Subsequent checks revealed that one of the two fuel pumps wasn't working. With a fuse replaced the next day, Eddie tripped the clocks with an 11.90 sec. At 119mph"
This is the kind of Internet BS that I'm talking about. Atock 94 turbo motor with a good fuel pump fuse trappng 119 mph..
I guess all the new 996 $120000 porsche owner are being robbed!
ACELLR8
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I say call him up and race for something like $200 that was mentioned earlier. If his car is that fast he probably would still want to take your money either way.
Racing for $5000 that's crazy. Why not just challenge him back for bragging rights and shut him the hell up. Most likely you would kick his a$$, just think of what the odds are of running into a 800 hp viper or Porche, not to good. In my opinion you are the one up, because your car does make that power.
I say just challenge him for a mans race, and let us know when you whoop his A$$.
Ed
Racing for $5000 that's crazy. Why not just challenge him back for bragging rights and shut him the hell up. Most likely you would kick his a$$, just think of what the odds are of running into a 800 hp viper or Porche, not to good. In my opinion you are the one up, because your car does make that power.
I say just challenge him for a mans race, and let us know when you whoop his A$$.
Ed
allanlambo
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ive been to plenty of import races and seen eddie run, never seen him go through motors.
as far as the internet blowing stories way out of proportion, eddie took a 94 3.6 liter motor and stuffed it into a car weighing substantially less than any stock turbo, whether it be a 993 or 996 turbo.
anyways this is your forum, and im only a guest. im not trying to say vipers arent fast or anything of that nature, was just trying to save someone 5000.00 and give a little bit of info to those who were interested in just what a porsche can do. this knowledge i have first hand from personal experience.
also there are quite a few of these porsches running around. now we have mention of a black 10.5@ 142 mph porsche owned by a chineese guy. i do not know him. there is also another black 94. 3.6 liter porsche that traps in the 150's. that makes 4 so far in just that area.
as far as the internet blowing stories way out of proportion, eddie took a 94 3.6 liter motor and stuffed it into a car weighing substantially less than any stock turbo, whether it be a 993 or 996 turbo.
anyways this is your forum, and im only a guest. im not trying to say vipers arent fast or anything of that nature, was just trying to save someone 5000.00 and give a little bit of info to those who were interested in just what a porsche can do. this knowledge i have first hand from personal experience.
also there are quite a few of these porsches running around. now we have mention of a black 10.5@ 142 mph porsche owned by a chineese guy. i do not know him. there is also another black 94. 3.6 liter porsche that traps in the 150's. that makes 4 so far in just that area.
Gerald
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There's ALWAYS someone faster. Although my car is powerful, it's not THAT fast. I also don't have 5,000 to throw away either. Perhaps if this was a year earlier and I had more cash, I'd do it.. Just part of me really wants to..
Gerald
Gerald
REDSLED
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gerald, what about if people put in some $$$$ to spot you. If enough members pony up their $$$ instead of their advice on the race maybe that will help you out. If you win, you send everyone back double their money. If you lose then everyone is out the small amount they've given. What's $10-$20 bucks for an individual driving a Viper or two? Just a thought, don't want to start an arguement or step on anybody's toes. personally I'd like to see the race happen whether it's for the $5K or a smaller amount.
-Jonathan
-Jonathan
Anthony - 98 GTS
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Just go race him - no need to bet money. Obviously you both have cash. Get Chuck or someone to video it and post the results on Monday.
allanlambo
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hey if the guy gave you his name and number, what is it? if its someone i know i can tell you what to expect.
1TONY1
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Gerald, at least call the guy and feel him out. It probably is a very fast car. I wouldn't doubt high nines to ten fiftys. Bluff him a little and see if you can get about a 5 car start on him. That would be .5 in the quarter mile, run from a stop at the strip and let the clocks be set to give the head start.....I will back you $100.00 Get the .5 at a strip and I will fly down with the Purners, put up $1000.00 myself and drive the car. So what I am betting on is that your car will go 10.30 or faster....should't be a problem. Maybe some of the other guys would kick in some $$$$. I would also prefer a pro tree it would **** to have the start and then red light. NO b/s set it up.ta
