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Genuine Toyota Long Life Antifreeze Coolant, with its distinctive red appearance, provides maximum protection without the use of harmful silicates. This formula is extremely durable and because of its compatibility with non-metallic materials, it helps extend the life of water pump seals.


Genuine Toyota Long Life Antifreeze Coolant is the same high quality red fluid that's found in all new Toyotas. Its unique formulation was developed exclusively to meet the specific requirements of your Toyota engine. Other benefits to using Toyota Long Life Antifreeze Coolant are:
  • Will not clog radiators from silicone "gelling."
  • Will not corrode aluminum surfaces like coolants that contain borate.
  • Helps protect water pump seals.
Ethylene-glycol type coolant should be used in your Toyota vehicle, as it provides for proper corrosion protection of aluminum components, protection at lower temperatures, and it has the ability to be used year round.

Toyota recommends Genuine Toyota Long Life Antifreeze Coolant (factory red fluid) as the first choice when maintaining your vehicle. Toyota coolant was developed to meet the specific requirements of our engines and provides maximum protection without the use of harmful silicates. Silicates, a main ingredient in the vast majority of antifreeze coolants, can actually damage the water pump seal, causing leakage. Our coolant is a high-performance, non-silicate coolant that provides better protection for metals without deterioration of the water pump seal.

Genuine Toyota Long Life Antifreeze Coolant is available at your local Toyota dealership.
 

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You'd actually consider using Toyota coolant in a Viper engine??? That's so wrong on so many levels...I don't know where to begin.
 
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Dave,those toyota ricers must be doing something right to be the #1 auto manufacturer.
Tony,do you really think dodge makes their own antifreeze,or do they just put their name on it?

Interesting read. Maybe Tom can chime in.

Coolant/Antifreeze
 
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Dave,those toyota ricers must be doing something right to be the #1 auto manufacturer.
Tony,do you really think dodge makes their own antifreeze,or do they just put their name on it?

Just ribbing Dave. I make Toyota's anti-freeze, FYI.
 
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Tony,everyone has their opinions.Dodge installs a 190+ thermostat,Chuck T recommends the factory T-stat,and Tony goes with a 172 T-stat.Just wondering who would be the one "wrong on so many levels".
 

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I'm not going to get baited into one of your silly arguments go bait someone else.
 
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Dave, why do you need 'Red' coolant? and it's cheaper to buy full strenght coolant and dilute it yourself rather than buying 50/50. The Global coolants are most clear and mix to whatever the color of the system and have specs written all over them that product meets or exceeds the manufactures specs. Just make sure the fluids used say that. If we had to use only factory packaged fluids there would be no aftermarket. I have green coolant in the cars I put Magnuson S/Cs on and no problems. What's the difference in specs or does Roe just like red??:dunno: WHOOPS sucked me in!!!:headbang:
 

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All non-green coolants are similar in that they use no or very low levels of silicates. Silicates are the mainstay of green coolants and coat the metal surfaces to provide protection, but comes off after a few years. The flakes are abrasive jelly-like clouds that wear the ceramic face seals of the water pump and eventually cause a leak. This is why you are supposed to replace it frequently. Taxi fleet testing by Texaco showed that water pump failures in the first 100,000 miles/14 months (typical 24/7 taxi service) went from hundreds to nearly zero.

Here are some pictures of it:
http://forums.viperclub.org/rt-10-g...-you-curious-how-dex-cool-performs-viper.html

The red, orange, yellow, etc coolants use organic compounds that only attack corrosion sites, so a) it does not induce a heat transfer barrier layer, b) is available for a longer time because it isn't used up right away. If you want to ensure better heat transfer (and after all the hoo-ha about thermostats, fans, etc, this probably includes everybody) then why put down a layer of paint inside the cooling passage? Think about it this way, the additive in green coolant is fully depleted after a month - it can't recover and prevent corrosion in a new part or new spot.

The OEMs have their individual opinions about the need for very low levels of silicates for certain situations or slight variations of the new chemistry. Despite this, the aftermarket has found formulations that meet all their requirements simultaneously. My consulting company recently evaluated magnesium corrosion protection (as the absolute most difficult material to protect) and Peak Global Lifetime coolant did very well. (I get no benefit from advocating this product.)

I've used preproduction versions of Dexcool ('92 van with 318) for one charge until I traded it in in 2005, then Dexcool or other OAT coolants in every car I have.
 

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It must be new, but from what I found it could be good. It claims to use the "patented Organic Acid Technology formula that offers up to five years or 150,000 miles of protection" and "may be added to the antifreeze/coolant of any make or model automobile or light duty truck on the road, foreign or domestic." The pH and reserve akalinity look a little high for pure OAT, so I suspect like all the others that is it a majority of silicate-free technology and some old-fashioned slicate additive for "just in case." What would make me stay away from it until I found more information is that it is dyed "light green." I don't know of a hard and fast rule, but that would normally signal a higher silicate level, which you would not want to use.

I think in the case of non-silicate additives for coolants that they are such a huge performance and technology step above silicates that today's engines won't be able to tell the difference between non-silicate/low silicate and the old green products.

I just noticed Paso Robles... I spent 6 weeks at an unused airfield near there as part of a multi-oil company fuel test program. Very friendly small farming town at the time. Still remember San Simeon.
 

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Tom;

I started using the Prestone "ALL" a couple of years ago, mainly due the fact that with all my cars, bikes, trucks, tractors,etc, I would have to buy and stock like 10 differents brands of antifreeze if I was to buy what each owner manual call for.

You're right,Paso is a very friendly town with great back-country roads and 2 major road racing tracks (laguna Secca and Buttonwillow) only about 1.5 hours away.

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Just talked to Dave at Roe Racing. Shell Rotella is red, but he also recommended Prestone Extended Life - silver jug/orange cap.

Raising a thread from the dead...

Shell Rotella ELC 50/50 pre-mix is what I use in my car and my fleet of trucks. Work great, lasts forever (almost).

I have two 55 gallon drums of it if you still need it... :smirk:
 

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the biggest problem i have seen in any antifreeze breakdown is cavitaion(coolant seals leaking)as to upon cool down the gaskets **** air in and destroy the coolant,gel like particles and turn the system brown in color,keep your system tight(dont run the holy hell out of your motor cold,let it warm gradually and your likely not to break your cooling system seals so quickly! but do agree with any type of coolant,to be safe,drain and fill with 50/50 or most definate distilled water every 2 years.:usa:
 

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