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How did this happen? Daily driven ******* the gas, but not the brakes :confused:

Fronts only, Back perfect.

EBC greens, Eradispeed rotors. Can they be saved or are they junk?

I am suprised, because 99% of the black spots are not near the holes....

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If the year matters it is a '95
 

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Do you use your parking brake?

Regardless there's no reason to start worrying over
those unless you're trying to win King Poser prize at the Saturday car show.
 

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If you're talking about those spider cracks the rotors are still OK.
If they are deeper and join two holes then I would ditch them.

I have many more on mine. Usually only occur on the fronts since they do 80% or so of the stopping.
 

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Do you wash or wet the rotors afer it being driven? If you expose it to cold after the disc is heated, they will crack like that
 

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The answer is very simple, cross drilled rotors (save for cast holes as with Ferrari,Porsche,etc)are crap and should not be used.

All for look, nothing for performance.

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Call Eradispeed and tell them you want some new ones!

That might depend though on how many miles you have on them. Which is?
 

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Hmmm... looks like you need more rear brake. ;)

Nnniiiccceeeee.......

Mine did that when I first started bedding the rotors/pads and had to brake unexpectantly. After a few miles they polished themselves out - I'd just stay out of Laguna Seca until I was sure though...
 

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Looks like some of that NXT leaked down from the hood of your car and reaked its usually havoc.
 
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Looks like some of that NXT leaked down from the hood of your car and reaked its usually havoc.

Good one! :D



The car is almost not driveable.

Shakes when brakes engage....
 
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Do you wash or wet the rotors afer it being driven? If you expose it to cold after the disc is heated, they will crack like that

Never washed it with any heat in the brakes.
 

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Yo-

Get them on a lathe and check the runout. You'll know if they're trash then or not.

Mike
 

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Looks like some of that NXT leaked down from the hood of your car and reaked its usually havoc.

Good one! :D

The car is almost not driveable.

Shakes when brakes engage....

In that case get them turned or trash them for a real rotor.
 

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You may have warped rotors. I saw a similar pattern on a Lola race car with untrue rotors. Get a runout guage on them and see if you are in spec. It doesn't take much wobble in the rotor to get the wear pattern off track, especially on the fronts.
 

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Those are simply heat stress cracks. From what I see in the pics above, there is nothing to worry about. Pretty normal **** when you track tour car. Like it was mentioned above, if they become larger cracks joining the holes, then you may want to start to worry.
Chuck, is that not one of the reasons drilled rotors are not recomended for track use on our heavy cars?
 
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Those are simply heat stress cracks. From what I see in the pics above, there is nothing to worry about. Pretty normal **** when you track tour car. Like it was mentioned above, if they become larger cracks joining the holes, then you may want to start to worry.
Chuck, is that not one of the reasons drilled rotors are not recomended for track use on our heavy cars?


The problem is that the car is almost not driveable...

From Baer website.

What are the benefits to cross-drilling, slotting, and zinc-washing my rotors?
  In years past, cross-drilling and/or slotting the rotor for racing purposes was beneficial by providing a way to expel the gasses created when the bonding agents employed to manufacture the pads began to break down at extreme temperatures. This condition is often referred to as "green pad fade" or "outgassing". When it does occur, the driver still has a good firm brake pedal, but simply little or no friction. Since this normally happens only at temperatures witnessed in racing, this can be very exciting!
However, with today´s race pad technology, ´outgassing´ is no longer much of a concern. When shopping for races pads, or even ultra-high performance road pads, look for the phrases, "dynamic surface treatment", "race ready", and/or, "pre-burnished". When these or similar statements are made by the pad manufacturer, the pad in question will likely have little or no problem with ´outgassing´. Ironically more pedestrian pads used on most streetcars will still exhibit ´outgassing´, but only when used at temperatures normally only encountered on the racetrack.
Although crossdrilling and/or slotting will provide a welcome path to expend any gasses when and if they develop, it is primarily a visual enhancement behind today’s often wide-open wheel designs.
Crossdrilling offers the greatest gas relief pathway, but creates potential "stress risers" from which cracks can occur. Baer´s rotors are cast with crossdrilling in mind, from the material specified, to curved vanes, behind which the holes are placed to minimize potential crack migration. Slotted surfaces are what Baer recommends for track only use. Slotted only rotors are offered as an option for any of Baer’s offerings.
Zinc washing is then done to provide a barrier, which resists development of surface scales or rust.




Hopefully they will back up the last line.


EradiSpeedTM represents our premium line of performance rotors.  Featuring the dynamic appearance of cross-drilled, slotted and zinc-coated surfaces, EradiSpeedTM units are also purpose-cast with quality iron materials for performance far beyond the factory units they replace.  Furthermore, EradiSpeed´s curve-vaned design also provides greater airflow and heat dissipation.

EradiSpeedTM rotors feature:

* Faster thermal recovery
* Increased heat absorption
* Increased friction and lower wear
* Cross-drilled, slotted, and zinc-washed surfaces
* Limited lifetime warranty against warping
 

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Those are simply heat stress cracks. From what I see in the pics above, there is nothing to worry about. Pretty normal **** when you track tour car. Like it was mentioned above, if they become larger cracks joining the holes, then you may want to start to worry.
Chuck, is that not one of the reasons drilled rotors are not recomended for track use on our heavy cars?


The problem is that the car is almost not driveable...

The reason the car shakes is they are warped, from excessive heat caused more and likely from hard high speed braking. I had the same problem on my 95 with the stock rotors when I bought the car 4 years ago. Drove it 1800 miles from Denver to PA like that. Took the rotors off myself took them to the local brake shop and had them turned for $40 and put them back on. Good as new at that poing and no more shake. Since then I have changed the rotors to cross drilled as well and have not had any problems with mine yet.
 

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Looks like a hot spot due to warping. Those spots have developed cracks from excessive heat from the warping. This is from the brake pads hitting the warped areas even when you are not braking.

The shaking under braking is another clue. You are probably get a pulsating feedback through the brake pedal under braking also.

Problem with warped rotors is, sometimes they start out fine and then change shape as they are heated up and will become worse as you are driving.

If this is the case, they have probably been ruined and you are going to need new rotors.
 

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Those are simply heat stress cracks. From what I see in the pics above, there is nothing to worry about. Pretty normal **** when you track tour car. Like it was mentioned above, if they become larger cracks joining the holes, then you may want to start to worry.
Chuck, is that not one of the reasons drilled rotors are not recomended for track use on our heavy cars?

That's what I've heard. But his problem goes beyond visual inspection. He says the car is nearly undriveable, so he should get them turned and see if that helps.
 

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Couple issues, some in agreement with what is written above but bits from different posts plus some new thoughts:
1) Most of what I see is carbon build-up in your pictures, like the crud in the slots and holes. No biggie.
2) The crack in the slot is a crack probably only in the carbon build-up.
3) The small cracks around the drilled holes are surface cracks and are no big deal on a STREET car.
4) You have warped rotors from your description of the shuddering on braking. Just replace them. Don't bother turning them. That's a waste of your time and a bad solution to needing new rotors. The problem is that you will turn them cold, and even then may only be getting them back into round a fraction of their true needs. Then, when you drive and use them and they heat up, they will be back to their warped state in no time.
5) Although everyone always says drilled rotors are for show, explain to me why EVERY true race bike, car, or other land vehicle uses them? Not to say they are automatically practical for the street, but they clearly have value. I don't think it's the weight savings.
Good luck with the new rotors!
 

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Cop Magnet:


Motorcycles cross drilled rotors (as well than Ferrari,Porsche,etc) are not made of cast iron but steel
And yes,especially on motorcycle cross drilling is mainly done to remove unsprung weight.

Luc.00GTS
 

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Drilled rotors are for show because DRILLING weakens the rotor. You'll see cracks start at the holes. That's bad. Rotors that have the holes CAST into them are race rotors and good rotors - OE Porsche rotors are like this. With these, you'll see the normal surface checking that starts in the middle of the rotor and grows out to the edge and in towards the center.

However, most REAL RACE rotors - from companies like Brembo (and NOT the high performance division, the race division) sell slotted rotors. The latest Brembo race rotor has a series of curved smaller slots as opposed to the straight diagonal slots other hi-performance rotors are using. They found this new design to eliminate shudder and clean the pad better. IMO - it looks way cooler, too. :)

Slotting seems to be preferable to the hole-y rotors from race manfacturers and weight savings is gained by going to the 2 piece design / full floating rotor instead of removing material from the rotor.

And here's a tidbit. The Comp Coupe uses STOCK, not drilled, not slotted, not ANYTHING SRT-10 rotors and they work just fine - even with hi temp race pads. It looks like we're getting almost an entire season on the fronts and more on the rear. And at about $100 each, it's the bargain of the century.
 

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Drilling weakens the rotor. No question about it. Race cars use them, and not just for weight savings. They cool better and vent gasses. Period. This makes them practical on race cars because of big budgets that can replace rotors every race no problemo. They could care less about a few cracks as long as they hold up through a single race. Not practical on a street car, except for show. Just an observation, no argument.
 

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I guess I didn't see that part about the car being undriveable. If that is the case, buy new rotors and throw the old ones out.
 

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What Janni and several other said......

BAER will warranty the WARPING as long as they are within minimum SAE thickness.
You just need to take them to a shop that turns them and BEFORE TURNING see if they are within minimums. if YES, you get a replcement set...not PRORATED, REPLACED. If the rotor is severely cracked under the NAS fastener bolts, the rotor may wobble, and be within minimums, and warranty will be denied.

I know they are 3-years old....MILES? Those cracks are NORMAL with all useage debending on mileage and/or track loading.....nothing looks catastrophic to me, but my attorney says I should NOT say that here.....
 

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it looks like you exposed the rotors to a LOT of heat, either Riding the brakes or driving the car VERY hard, the vibration you feel looks like Smeared brake pad material on the rotors, i get this after i get home from the track for about a week or two until the stock pads wear off the track pad "goo"

as for the cracks, they are normal if you drive the car HARD and really heat them up. cross drilled's look nice but arent good for performance applications...go with slotted and/or dimpled. the drilling weakens the rotors and makes them cool too fast which can cuase stree cracks.
Also....EBC greens are good for LIGHT street driving but they hold all the heat in and get hot fast, hence why they probably smeared on your rotors........

if you dont use the brakes a lot them SOMEONE is driving your car hard!! lol
 

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