Took a look at a new Gen V yesterday.

[vipernut]

Anymore news yet on yours?

Nothing new..thanks for asking! Called this morning...boy..are those folks at SRT fantastic! So helpful! The fellow I spoke to (Jeff) says he actually keeps an eye on the progression and had just looked at my car...so he knew where I was....still in frame...and he said he'd call me if he sees any change in status. What fantastic personal service!
It flows down from the top..cause we ALL know that this is exactly the way the big boss (Ralph) is!!

 

[ViperSmith]

Nothing new..thanks for asking! Called this morning...boy..are those folks at SRT fantastic! So helpful! The fellow I spoke to (Jeff) says he actually keeps an eye on the progression and had just looked at my car...so he knew where I was....still in frame...and he said he'd call me if he sees any change in status. What fantastic personal service!

I guess the good news is it is finally getting there... I'll be back up in TO in 2 months or so, I'll want to see in person!!

 

[vipernut]

Vipernut, I am 5'7" and have to raise the seat. LOL But it raises enough for a perfect fit. I guess being sawed off like you and I ain't all bad.

Not bad at all..LOL! It's easier if you're short rather than tall..with the adjustable pedals and pillows you can always keep layering! But if you're super tall you can only lower the seat so much and you can't cut a hole in the roof.....'(course a convertible could help with that problem!)...LOL!

 

[PeerBlock]

Despite all these threads where some guy is crying about not being allowed to test drive a car he's probably not willing/able to buy, I have yet to see a compelling argument made in favor of allowing test drives.

These are not compelling arguments:

"Because porsche does."
- Viper >>> Porsche.

"I went to car dealer ____ and they let me drive their ____ but the guy selling the viper won't even let me sit in it..."
- Then go back to dealer ____ and buy car ____. Still not a Viper.

"I need to know if the car fits me."
- Unless you're morbidly obese or freakishly tall then you will not have fitment issues...and nobody looks bad in a Viper.

"They're not going to sell any cars if they don't allow test drives."
- The viper is a low sales volume vehicle and it does not represent a large expense for a dealer to have a couple of them sitting on their lots, nor does selling them quickly provide a substantial boost to their bottom line. They know they're not going to sell a lot of them - they don't expect to and they don't need to. It's not a Kia, it's a viper. Quality over quantity.

 

[SRTviper]

Despite all these threads where some guy is crying about not being allowed to test drive a car he's probably not willing/able to buy, I have yet to see a compelling argument made in favor of allowing test drives.

These are not compelling arguments:

"Because porsche does."
- Viper >>> Porsche.

"I went to car dealer ____ and they let me drive their ____ but the guy selling the viper won't even let me sit in it..."
- Then go back to dealer ____ and buy car ____. Still not a Viper.

"I need to know if the car fits me."
- Unless you're morbidly obese or freakishly tall then you will not have fitment issues...and nobody looks bad in a Viper.

"They're not going to sell any cars if they don't allow test drives."
- The viper is a low sales volume vehicle and it does not represent a large expense for a dealer to have a couple of them sitting on their lots, nor does selling them quickly provide a substantial boost to their bottom line. They know they're not going to sell a lot of them - they don't expect to and they don't need to. It's not a Kia, it's a viper. Quality over quantity.

So what you are saying is that they are stupid and that is why their stupidity caused the car to get axed in the first place which if this continues I promise u it will happen again. People ought to start buying them now they may go up in value like the FGT since the viper is considered now the only american exotic.

And when your competition allows test drives and sells more you can't say that is not a valid argument when they are selling more because they allow test drives. No one says no to money. So SRT just has a bad business model or they need to control the dealers better.

 

[ViperSmith]

Despite all these threads where some guy is crying about not being allowed to test drive a car he's probably not willing/able to buy, I have yet to see a compelling argument made in favor of allowing test drives.

These are not compelling arguments:

"Because porsche does."
- Viper >>> Porsche.

"I went to car dealer ____ and they let me drive their ____ but the guy selling the viper won't even let me sit in it..."
- Then go back to dealer ____ and buy car ____. Still not a Viper.

"I need to know if the car fits me."
- Unless you're morbidly obese or freakishly tall then you will not have fitment issues...and nobody looks bad in a Viper.

"They're not going to sell any cars if they don't allow test drives."
- The viper is a low sales volume vehicle and it does not represent a large expense for a dealer to have a couple of them sitting on their lots, nor does selling them quickly provide a substantial boost to their bottom line. They know they're not going to sell a lot of them - they don't expect to and they don't need to. It's not a Kia, it's a viper. Quality over quantity.

"Go buy something else then"

What a great brand/sales strategy.

 

[PeerBlock]

So what you are saying is that they are stupid and that is why their stupidity caused the car to get axed in the first place which if this continues I promise u it will happen again. People ought to start buying them now they may go up in value like the FGT since the viper is considered now the only american exotic.

And when your competition allows test drives and sells more you can't say that is not a valid argument when they are selling more because they allow test drives. No one says no to money. So SRT just has a bad business model or they need to control the dealers better.

The viper was not really "axed" so much as it had its production deferred.

Gen 3 was 2002-2006 <-- Housing bubble peaking around this time.
Gen 4 was 2008-2010 <-- Obamaconomy kicks in full force. Bailouts happen.
Gen 5 was 2012-current <-- Illusory "paper recovery" happening due to super-low interest rate set by Fed.

SRT has balls for putting a car like the viper out right now, when things really aren't a whole lot better than they were 4-5 years ago for many Americans and the EPA is able to make policy on baseless pseudo-science, adding to manufacturers' regulatory burden. Note that none of this has to do with Dodge/SRT allowing test drives or not, and yet it has a very real impact on their bottom line.

If you owned a Viper and were trying to sell it to some dude who saw your ad on Autotrader, would you be willing to let him/her test drive your car? If you say yes, I'll mark you down as a either a liar or someone devoid of common sense.

"Go buy something else then"

What a great brand/sales strategy.

I'm sure that you can test drive any of the other SRT vehicles; the viper is the pinnacle of the SRT brand but it's not going to be what keeps the brand alive in terms of revenue. In fact, they probably make more money selling you the SRT Jeep than they do selling you a Viper.

 

[SRTviper]

The viper was not really "axed" so much as it had its production deferred.

Gen 3 was 2002-2006 <-- Housing bubble peaking around this time.
Gen 4 was 2008-2010 <-- Obamaconomy kicks in full force. Bailouts happen.
Gen 5 was 2012-current <-- Illusory "paper recovery" happening due to super-low interest rate set by Fed.

SRT has balls for putting a car like the viper out right now, when things really aren't a whole lot better than they were 4-5 years ago for many Americans and the EPA is able to make policy on baseless pseudo-science, adding to manufacturers' regulatory burden. Note that none of this has to do with Dodge/SRT allowing test drives or not, and yet it has a very real impact on their bottom line.

If you owned a Viper and were trying to sell it to some dude who saw your ad on Autotrader, would you be willing to let him/her test drive your car? If you say yes, I'll mark you down as a either a liar or someone devoid of common sense.



I'm sure that you can test drive any of the other SRT vehicles; the viper is the pinnacle of the SRT brand but it's not going to be what keeps the brand alive in terms of revenue. In fact, they probably make more money selling you the SRT Jeep than they do selling you a Viper.

If a serious buyer came to me with money saying if you let me test drive your shelby I will buy it. Yes then they can go on a drive with me in the car so I make sure they don't do anything stupid. Simple as that.

 

[Leojmcca]

Back in the day, when I sold Mazdas, they had a no test drive policy unless you signed a contract policy on the RX-7s. We constantly had people come in wanting to check out the RX-7 as part of their decision making process between the 911, Supra, 300ZX, VR-4s etc. However, the RX-7, kind of like the Viper, was to much car for the average buyer. So by making them go through the hassle of putting down the money per se, showed they were serious and just not tire kickers or obsessive compulsive buyers who felt they needed to drive every car in the class before buying the one recommended by consumer reports.

 

[Nine Ball]

I would have no problem showing a dealership a blank check showing I was pre-approved or had cash to buy a Viper, in order to get a test drive. That isn't too much to ask. I sort of agree with PB (doh!) and don't think a test drive is mandatory. I never test drove either of my Vipers, never drove one period. I just knew what I wanted. If I didn't like it, I could always sell it later.

 

[ViperSmith]

I would have no problem showing a dealership a blank check showing I was pre-approved or had cash to buy a Viper, in order to get a test drive. That isn't too much to ask. I sort of agree with PB (doh!) and don't think a test drive is mandatory. I never test drove either of my Vipers, never drove one period. I just knew what I wanted. If I didn't like it, I could always sell it later.

But that "different class of buyer" Ralph wants isn't the same as us goof balls which ordered sight unseen. It is just a negative for SRT.

 

[vipernut]

I guess the good news is it is finally getting there... I'll be back up in TO in 2 months or so, I'll want to see in person!!

Sounds like a good plan!!

 

[kratedisease]

Despite all these threads where some guy is crying about not being allowed to test drive a car he's probably not willing/able to buy, I have yet to see a compelling argument made in favor of allowing test drives.

These are not compelling arguments:

"Because porsche does."
- Viper >>> Porsche.

"I went to car dealer ____ and they let me drive their ____ but the guy selling the viper won't even let me sit in it..."
- Then go back to dealer ____ and buy car ____. Still not a Viper.

"I need to know if the car fits me."
- Unless you're morbidly obese or freakishly tall then you will not have fitment issues...and nobody looks bad in a Viper.

"They're not going to sell any cars if they don't allow test drives."
- The viper is a low sales volume vehicle and it does not represent a large expense for a dealer to have a couple of them sitting on their lots, nor does selling them quickly provide a substantial boost to their bottom line. They know they're not going to sell a lot of them - they don't expect to and they don't need to. It's not a Kia, it's a viper. Quality over quantity.

" They know they're not going to sell a lot of them - they don't expect to and they don't need to. " interesting statement on your part.

thank goodness Peerbe you are not head of or are in charge of SRT. SRT would be out of business before they ever started with your above ideology.

 

[RoyV101621]

"I need to know if the car fits me."
- Unless you're morbidly obese or freakishly tall then you will not have fitment issues...

.
I don't consider myself morbidly obese or freakisly tall but the SRT engineers are surprised that I can't see out through the roof.
.
My local dealer knows how to stop droolers from slobbering all over there car. Mark the car $161K for "market price adjustment." Now everyone leaves there Viper alone.

 

[Nine Ball]

But that "different class of buyer" Ralph wants isn't the same as us goof balls which ordered sight unseen. It is just a negative for SRT.

Some, but not all. People spending six figures for a toy tend to do a little bit of research and know what they want once they step foot in a certain direction. These are passion driven purchases, not necessities. Viper is a unique breed, people either want one or they do not. It is a pretty polarizing product, not really cross-shopped with a whole lot. Closest in the price range would be a ZR1 Corvette, and even those typically aren't test driven.

I know guys who are on the elusive "Ferrari waiting list" for being long-term Ferrari customers. They get invited to purchase the latest models first. Pretty sure none of them have ever test driven any of their previous (or future) purchases. They simply want what they want. Same goes for Lambo or McLaren purchasers - no prior test drives given (or needed).

I wouldn't compare the Viper to any Porsche 911, not even close. Plus, those Porsche salesmen around here actually earn enough to drive their own Porsche. They KNOW the product inside and out, this is what makes them successful at selling. They own/drive the product. Not the same with Viper salespeople, unless you buy from some of our site Sponsors who sell them. Tomball/ViperExchange, Woodhouse, etc... those stores KNOW Vipers. Support those who support us, when possible.

What it all boils down to, is that the Viper is not a mass-produced car. They build approximately the same number of Corvettes in a single year, than the total amount of Vipers in existence. Lambo has built more Gallardos than Dodge/SRT has built Vipers in the same respective years. People think of the Gallardo as something rare? Not so much.

 

[denniskgb]

Its a sad situation

I visited the Aston Martin Dealer in Dallas while still a piss poor college kid. They treated me as if I had cash in hand and spent as much time as I wanted explaining features and the history. They even allowed me to drive the car around the block. I made it clear that I just wanted to see these cars in person. The sales manager grinned and said "just remember us when your ready to buy" as he tossed us the keys.

Vipers are rare....yes I know. We all may love the look and design features; but without actually driving the car you will never know if it fits "you". I did not get to test drive until I signed the papers.........which is stupid but I already had my mind made up on the purchase. I asked " what if I do not like it" They replied back with well.....you signed the paperwork

You can sign the paperwork but if you physically did not drive of the lot by law it's still their car.

 

[kratedisease]

Some, but not all. People spending six figures for a toy tend to do a little bit of research and know what they want once they step foot in a certain direction. These are passion driven purchases, not necessities. Viper is a unique breed, people either want one or they do not. It is a pretty polarizing product, not really cross-shopped with a whole lot. Closest in the price range would be a ZR1 Corvette, and even those typically aren't test driven.

I know guys who are on the elusive "Ferrari waiting list" for being long-term Ferrari customers. They get invited to purchase the latest models first. Pretty sure none of them have ever test driven any of their previous (or future) purchases. They simply want what they want. Same goes for Lambo or McLaren purchasers - no prior test drives given (or needed).

I wouldn't compare the Viper to any Porsche 911, not even close. Plus, those Porsche salesmen around here actually earn enough to drive their own Porsche. They KNOW the product inside and out, this is what makes them successful at selling. They own/drive the product. Not the same with Viper salespeople, unless you buy from some of our site Sponsors who sell them. Tomball/ViperExchange, Woodhouse, etc... those stores KNOW Vipers. Support those who support us, when possible.

What it all boils down to, is that the Viper is not a mass-produced car. They build approximately the same number of Corvettes in a single year, than the total amount of Vipers in existence. Lambo has built more Gallardos than Dodge/SRT has built Vipers in the same respective years. People think of the Gallardo as something rare? Not so much.

You hit the nail on the head !! exactly....good point made.

 

[ViperSmith]

Some, but not all. People spending six figures for a toy tend to do a little bit of research and know what they want once they step foot in a certain direction. These are passion driven purchases, not necessities. Viper is a unique breed, people either want one or they do not. It is a pretty polarizing product, not really cross-shopped with a whole lot. Closest in the price range would be a ZR1 Corvette, and even those typically aren't test driven.

I know guys who are on the elusive "Ferrari waiting list" for being long-term Ferrari customers. They get invited to purchase the latest models first. Pretty sure none of them have ever test driven any of their previous (or future) purchases. They simply want what they want. Same goes for Lambo or McLaren purchasers - no prior test drives given (or needed).

I wouldn't compare the Viper to any Porsche 911, not even close. Plus, those Porsche salesmen around here actually earn enough to drive their own Porsche. They KNOW the product inside and out, this is what makes them successful at selling. They own/drive the product. Not the same with Viper salespeople, unless you buy from some of our site Sponsors who sell them. Tomball/ViperExchange, Woodhouse, etc... those stores KNOW Vipers. Support those who support us, when possible.

What it all boils down to, is that the Viper is not a mass-produced car. They build approximately the same number of Corvettes in a single year, than the total amount of Vipers in existence. Lambo has built more Gallardos than Dodge/SRT has built Vipers in the same respective years. People think of the Gallardo as something rare? Not so much.

I think those guys on the F waiting list are the same as us, they want it and it doesn't matter what "it" is.

I do agree about Porsche dealers "knowing" the cars, which is the fundamental problem with how SRT is selling them. No local dealer near me knows a bit about the Viper of any iteration.

Personally, I think SRT should have kept those 50 "demo" cars for itself and done a tour around the country for prospective buyers.

After canceling my order, I looked at a bunch of cars. I crossed the GT-R and RS5 off the list quickly because they wouldn't let me behind the wheel. I would have done the same with a ZR1 if I were looking at it. Having that urge to get the Gen V wasn't present with anything else (much why I was disappointed when I canceled, there was no other toy for me to look at).

If SRT could figure out how to get more prospective buyers behind the wheel, I think they would fly off the shelves. You can't deny the fun factor when you finally get in it and turn it on.

 

[PDCjonny]

Lambo has built more Gallardos than Dodge/SRT has built Vipers in the same respective years. People think of the Gallardo as something rare? Not so much.

True but a faulty analogy.
Lamborghini of course has a huge international clientele whereas Viper has none.
There were less Lambos imported into the US than Vipers made and sold here.

 

[kratedisease]

True but a faulty analogy.
Lamborghini of course has a huge international clientele whereas Viper has none.
There were less Lambos imported into the US than Vipers made and sold here.

Yes, so I can only assume the dude that shows up with a new Viper in the UK, Russia, Europe, China, and Japan or else where gets swarmed by gawkers ( Justin Beiber style) bigtime since the gawkers have already seen the Lambos before.

 

[SRTviper]

Some, but not all. People spending six figures for a toy tend to do a little bit of research and know what they want once they step foot in a certain direction. These are passion driven purchases, not necessities. Viper is a unique breed, people either want one or they do not. It is a pretty polarizing product, not really cross-shopped with a whole lot. Closest in the price range would be a ZR1 Corvette, and even those typically aren't test driven.

I know guys who are on the elusive "Ferrari waiting list" for being long-term Ferrari customers. They get invited to purchase the latest models first. Pretty sure none of them have ever test driven any of their previous (or future) purchases. They simply want what they want. Same goes for Lambo or McLaren purchasers - no prior test drives given (or needed).

I wouldn't compare the Viper to any Porsche 911, not even close. Plus, those Porsche salesmen around here actually earn enough to drive their own Porsche. They KNOW the product inside and out, this is what makes them successful at selling. They own/drive the product. Not the same with Viper salespeople, unless you buy from some of our site Sponsors who sell them. Tomball/ViperExchange, Woodhouse, etc... those stores KNOW Vipers. Support those who support us, when possible.

What it all boils down to, is that the Viper is not a mass-produced car. They build approximately the same number of Corvettes in a single year, than the total amount of Vipers in existence. Lambo has built more Gallardos than Dodge/SRT has built Vipers in the same respective years. People think of the Gallardo as something rare? Not so much.

A ferrari isn't a 100k car built on compromise. There is no bad modern day ferrari. They are all excellent so that kind of car you don't need to drive or do anything with it before buying. A viper has a lot of problems that cause it to be such a low volume car hence why people need to drive to see if it is really the car for them regardless of how emotionally excited they get when they look at it. Not everyone has a reckless mentality to just buy the car and sell it a month later for a huge loss.

 

[kratedisease]

A ferrari isn't a 100k car built on compromise. There is no bad modern day ferrari. They are all excellent so that kind of car you don't need to drive or do anything with it before buying. A viper has a lot of problems that cause it to be such a low volume car hence why people need to drive to see if it is really the car for them regardless of how emotionally excited they get when they look at it. Not everyone has a reckless mentality to just buy the car and sell it a month later for a huge loss.

The only people who are that "reckless" to just buy a car unseen are people who can AFFORD to be "enthusiastic".

Sometimes I buy a $100 dinner take two bites and just throw it in the garbage because I can afford to and I do not want to be bothered. Other people on a higher financial level do the same with cars.... and yet others even higher up do the same with private Jet Airplanes. Only people without the means use the word "reckless".

Please do NOT use "reckless" because the correct adjective is " ENTHUSIASTIC"

And the Ferrari FF 4WD is a Horribly BAD modern day Ferrari... have they even sold more than a few ???

 

[SRTviper]

The only people who are that "reckless" to just buy a car unseen are people who can AFFORD to be "enthusiastic".

Sometimes I buy a $100 dinner take two bites and just throw it in the garbage because I can afford to and I do not want to be bothered. Other people on a higher financial level do the same with cars.... and yet others even higher up do the same with private Jet Airplanes. Only people without the means use the word "reckless".

Please do NOT use "reckless" because the correct adjective is " ENTHUSIASTIC"

And the Ferrari FF 4WD is a Horribly BAD modern day Ferrari... have they even sold more than a few ???

Actually the FF was a huge success. And you are comparing throwing away 100 dollars to thousands of dollars? I mean if you make that kind of cash why buy a viper? And if you are the type that makes that cash and want the viper well that is 100 percent emotional and a different conversation.

I can afford to throw away thousands away too if I wanted too. But it is the principal of waste. If some people don't share that principal well then that is their business. I have a neighbor in the street next to mine that built a huge house but ran out of money and couldn't even finish the yard. Every now and then when I actually drive past there I see a candle they use for a light. That is where wasting will get you eventually, unless of course your a prince or king of an oil fortune or Bill Gates equivalent. Last I checked no one on this forum fits the bill.

 

[Nine Ball]

A ferrari isn't a 100k car built on compromise. There is no bad modern day ferrari. They are all excellent so that kind of car you don't need to drive or do anything with it before buying. A viper has a lot of problems that cause it to be such a low volume car hence why people need to drive to see if it is really the car for them regardless of how emotionally excited they get when they look at it.

So elitist for your young age. Growing up wealthy has skewed your perception of reality. Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe a great majority of the population sees the Viper just as you see the Ferrari? Something nicer than they can afford, and something they wish they could attain someday. "100K car built on compromise". Seriously? You are jaded, my friend. Wealth is relative, to some $5000 is like $5. You just sound naive when you think spending $100K+ on a toy car is no big deal, nothing special.

 

[kratedisease]

Actually the FF was a huge success. And you are comparing throwing away 100 dollars to thousands of dollars? I mean if you make that kind of cash why buy a viper? And if you are the type that makes that cash and want the viper well that is 100 percent emotional and a different conversation.

I can afford to throw away thousands away too if I wanted too. But it is the principal of waste. If some people don't share that principal well then that is their business. I have a neighbor in the street next to mine that built a huge house but ran out of money and couldn't even finish the yard. Every now and then when I actually drive past there I see a candle they use for a light. That is where wasting will get you eventually, unless of course your a prince or king of an oil fortune or Bill Gates equivalent. Last I checked no one on this forum fits the bill.

Blah, Blah, Blah.....WHATEVER !!!

"But it is the principal of waste" only applies if you can notice any difference in your finances after the purchase.

Sorry but I do not know your neighbor personally........ who obviously built a house he could not afford.

Does your neighbor also drive a car he cannot afford ? ( please do not answer since I really do not care)

...... let the person buying the Viper decide what is a waste and what is not. Do not pass judgment on those who are MORE fortunate. Please do not dictate how an "enthusiast" should spend or waste his /her money.

And you should actually check the forum and you will find plenty of WEATHY celebrities who are Viper owners that post here.

Get back on your bicycle and leave these Viper enthusiasts alone !!!

 

[madninjaskillz]

So elitist for your young age. Growing up wealthy has skewed your perception of reality. Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe a great majority of the population sees the Viper just as you see the Ferrari? Something nicer than they can afford, and something they wish they could attain someday. "100K car built on compromise". Seriously? You are jaded, my friend. Wealth is relative, to some $5000 is like $5. You just sound naive when you think spending $100K+ on a toy car is no big deal, nothing special.

Don't feed the trolls. I stopped reading his posts a long time ago.

 

[SRTviper]

So elitist for your young age. Growing up wealthy has skewed your perception of reality. Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe a great majority of the population sees the Viper just as you see the Ferrari? Something nicer than they can afford, and something they wish they could attain someday. "100K car built on compromise". Seriously? You are jaded, my friend. Wealth is relative, to some $5000 is like $5. You just sound naive when you think spending $100K+ on a toy car is no big deal, nothing special.

Well that could very well be the case. I guess since I am comparing it to the viper equivalent for me which would be a ferrari. Obviously yes you are right for someone who dreams of owning this car their entire life and that is how far they will get for their entire life then yea I would imagine them buying it sight unseen. So yes you could call that jaded. But as we rise up whether it is wealth,success, w/e are benchmark for comparison goes higher. But I don't consider a viper a toy car. Many people buy mercedes, audi, bmws that are 100k and don't consider it a toy car but a primary DD car. And then there are some that buy a bentley or rollys for the same purpose. For 100k I want something that does everything which doesn't exist at least untill maybe the new hi performance c7 comes. But at 135k there are little things I think should be addressed given what territory you are now stepping into and then at 200+k there are no more excuses. If I spend 100+k on anything, I want to use it every single day to get the most out of that purchase.

That is just my philosophy and there are many people who as you say consider this a toy and just want to stare it in their garage and if they have the money to drop 100k without even blinking then more power to them, I'm not there yet.

 

[SRTviper]

Blah, Blah, Blah.....WHATEVER !!!

"But it is the principal of waste" only applies if you can notice any difference in your finances after the purchase.

Sorry but I do not know your neighbor personally........ who obviously built a house he could not afford.

Does your neighbor also drive a car he cannot afford ? ( please do not answer since I really do not care)

...... let the person buying the Viper decide what is a waste and what is not. Do not pass judgment on those who are MORE fortunate. Please do not dictate how an "enthusiast" should spend or waste his /her money.

And you should actually check the forum and you will find plenty of WEATHY celebrities who are Viper owners that post here.

Get back on your bicycle and leave these Viper enthusiasts alone !!!

Did I not say if you have millions of dollars then yes as nine ball put it at that salary 5000 is like 5 dollars? I mean hey if all of the 1% of americans are on this forum buying the viper instead of cars like a ferrari which is the salary you need to throw away thousands of dollars without blinking then my foot is in my mouth. I would then also like to ask them why the viper over cars like a ferrar, lambo, bentley, etc..... But if most of the people on this forum are like those on the corvette forum who work their butts off and save a large amount to just have enough to get the viper,FGT, zr1 or any other american icon because they love America well then it wouldn't be very smart to throw away thousands of dollars. To them that money should be precious if they are THAT kind of buyer, which I'm guessing is the majority of viper owners (but I could be wrong as I said before then my foot is in my mouth).

 

[Policy Limits]

I was a bit intimidated (just under six feet) when first sitting in it and experiencing the roof overhang. Then I just got used to it and realized it was part of the feel of the interior seating. That jet fighter feel really grows on u.

If I owned a dealership with only one or two allocations I probably wouldn't allow test drives either and would probably have a premium on it to be consistent with the market. Dealers that charge MSRP on a new model supercar like this aren't the norm, they're in the minority

 

[SRTviper]

I was a bit intimidated (just under six feet) when first sitting in it and experiencing the roof overhang. Then I just got used to it and realized it was part of the feel of the interior seating. That jet fighter feel really grows on u.

If I owned a dealership with only one or two allocations I probably wouldn't allow test drives either and would probably have a premium on it to be consistent with the market. Dealers that charge MSRP on a new model supercar like this aren't the norm, they're in the minority

Didn't the first 1992 viper go for like 2x and 3x over MSRP?