Viper VS. Z06 - VIDEO!!

[jcaspar1]

Here is a re-post of my only experience racing a Z06:

Spent last night at Sacramento Raceway for the monday night drags (bracket racing). I was happy with my consistant times but not my MPH. Anyways, here are my 4 runs with a 12.2 dial in:
2.09/12.34/116.4
2.07/12.24/116.7
2.04/12.22/116.5
2.33/12.51/117.1 (spun badly)

The third race was against a 2003 Z06. To be fair, the guy only had had it for 2 weeks and it had just over 500 miles on it. The race went like this:

Me Z06
Dial in 12.2 12.8
R/T 1.13! .558
60' 2.04 2.37
ET 12.223 13.414

It was an amazingly close race due to my "spectacular" reaction time. I ended up winning by .018 sec! At least my next R/T was .568. After the race the guy seemed kind of dejected and said "I thought these things were faster than Vipers". Nice guy and surely he will do better with some practice and break in. His best time was 12.9.

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Here's a link to the thread:
http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB14&Number=332174

 

[WALLst AL]

It was an amazingly close race due to my "spectacular" reaction time. I ended up winning by .018 sec! At least my next R/T was .568. After the race the guy seemed kind of dejected and said "I thought these things were faster than Vipers". Nice guy and surely he will do better with some practice and break in. His best time was 12.9.

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I saw a guy at Calispeedway last week with a new Z06 and he could not get into the 12's, everyone with one can not drive.

 

[JRod]

Howdy,

I just found out about this thread, and I wanted to post up a couple of facts.

Right now, as far as I know, I have the fastest posted time in a stock Z06. Its not an 11.9, its an 11.7. This is 100% stock down to the original paper airfilter from GM still being in the airbox. The car had 9000 miles on it at the time, and is on the original tires.

100% stock
60 - 1.818
330 - 4.999
1/8 - 7.610
MPH - 95.29
1000 - 9.868
1/4 - 11.783
MPH - 116.90

This was on the stock tires, stock airbox, etc... I had witnesses there who can verify it also. I pulled the airbox lid off the car which on the dyno has been shown to be worth 15hp/11lbft Tq.

Best pass on the stock F1SCs. Nearly stock, (the lid off)

60' - 1.767
330 - 4.880
1/8 - 7.470
MPH - 95.88
1000 - 9.710
1/4 - 11.606
MPH - 117.95

Best pass on Et Streets with the lid off.

60' - 1.675
330 - 4.822
1/8 - 7.442
mph - 94.62
1000 - 9.692
1/4 - 11.596
mph - 118.53

Best 1/8 mile pass (car got loose in 3rd, and I had to shut down). Would have most likely been an 11.52-11.53

60 - 1.619
330 - 4.785
1/8 - 7.429
mph - 93.74
1000 - 11.684
MPH - 108.45


Here is a link to a thread on my Z06 (minus the airbox lid) vs a GenIII Viper (John Myricks which is now a [******] Stroker car, but was near stock a the time. I think it had a new air intake on it.)

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31663

Sure, the GenIII Viper is faster but not by some huge margin (we're not talking 20 car lengths more like 2 from what I have seen). But, the GenI and GenIIs are pretty close to a Z06 stock vs stock. Keep in mind that the Z06 may be down on power, but its a lot lighter. So, the power to weight isn't as skewed as raw RWHP might lead you to believe.

I know, no one wants to believe a Z06 could possibly run an 11 since they have only seen them run 12.5's at the track. BTW my car isn't some dyno freak. It made 356-359 @ MTI. With the lid off it made 372 which is inline with all other Z06s.

I know, then it comes back to. Well, Vipers are more unique, and I see Corvettes every day. Yes, you're probably right on that. No one is downplaying a Viper or saying it isn't a really, really neat car. The video is what it is, two guy who got together, had a race, and had a good time. In the end someone has to come out on top.

Vipers are really strong cars, there is no doubt. Just keep in mind Z06s aren't as slow as you might think... Here is a quote on the from John Myrick on the race we had

Perfect example of how much extra horsepower it takes to win a street race. Even with a little more than 70 more rear wheel horsepower, the Viper could not do much damage to the Z06.

 

[PRVT JET]

More than half the time, they compare dr's and slicks times to the vipers street tires times.

 

[PRVT JET]

jrod, I say what ever track you were at, a good viper driver would be .3-.4 faster than you. 200lbs is not a lot of weight when your talking 100hp more. I gurantee you can't do those times at any track.

 

[Ranger]

Hey Guys.

Just saw this thread.

We all know that to get the most out of a traction limited car...the driver is the main ingedient.

My 02 Z06 has a best pass bone stock(zero mod; and stock original tires) of 11.81. Slip It has a bunch of passes in the 11.8s and 11.9s.

I had the opportunity to run my my car (bone stock EXCEPT drag radials and a cold air intake; 363 rwhp and 350 rwtq) at one of Jason Heffner's private track rentals (Maryland International Raceway; November 15, 2002) for some of his Viper customers and others.

So we had a bunch of Gen 1 and 2 Vipers at the same track, same day, plus my Z06. Great time. Great bunch of car enthusiasts.

Density Altitude throughout the day was 400 to 500'. Air temp was high 50s-low 60s. Humidity was 50-60%.

So what did my Z06 run that day? Here are 15 runs in sequence with the 60' times included:

11.568 @ 117.94 on a 1.684 60'
11.651 @ 118.44 on a 1.728 60'
11.755 @ 117.80 on a 1.805 60'
11.707 @ 119.46 on a 1.704 60'
11.640 @ 118.16 on a 1.693 60'
11.715 @ 117.73 on a 1.752 60'
11.700 @ 118.04 on a 1.743 60'
11.778 @ 119.46 on a 1.797 60'
11.748 @ 119.38 on a 1.777 60'
11.726 @ 117.53 on a 1.774 60'
11.719 @ 117.49 on a 1.722 60'
11.742 @ 116.97 on a 1.756 60'
11.763 @ 116.87 on a 1.735 60'
11.766 @ 117.05 on a 1.776 60'
11.786 @ 116.99 on a 1.756 60'

My car was getting pretty heat-soaked as the day wore on and the launch surface got progressively "run-off." Jason can vouch this. Also Jamie Furman, who owns a blue GTS.

BTW, with the DRs and CAI the car has 75 passes in the 11.7s or better with a best of 11.55 Slip. (Jamie Furman witnessed this pass). My best trap is 120.54...at DA of 62 feet. Slip

I admire your Vipers very much, and they are very fast, especially in the hands of the right driver. Conversely, a Z06 can be very fast too with the right driver doing the launch and shifts.

Safe racing to all of you.

Ranger

 

[vettekiller]

ranger what track do you usually race at there was a supercharged c5 at cecil county last night that only ran a 11.9 on drag radials and I think his best is 11.7. you must be a good drag racer nice times

 

[Ranger]

ranger what track do you usually race at....

Thanks, VetteKiller.

I usually run at Maryland International Raceway (MIR) in Budds Creek. Long drive for me (75+ miles), But it's the only IHRA track in my area; as you know IHRA rules let us run 11.500 and above without a roll-cage.

The NHRA tracks around here, including Cecil County Dragway, enforce the 12.00 barrier unevenly. I've made 11 second passes at Cecil but have also been warned. Capitol Raceway has been strict, first the warning, and then the ejection.

So the path of least risk is MIR, which also is a fine facility with wide lanes and very professional management.

Believe that is the track that Jason Hefner and Jamie Furman also favor.

Regarding the performance of the supercharged Vette, as you have seen, there are many high HP, traction-limited, manual-tranny cars that never turn in very good times. Usually the issue is the driver, not the car.
Ranger

 

[JRod]

Prvt part of the skill in drag racing is knowning how to drive your car , and matching the launch to your tracks condition. I am an old street racer, so I can get nearly the same type of launch on the street as I can on a prepped track. So, I would not necessarily agree with your assesment of of where I can or can't drive my car.

I run at HRP. I recently drove another individual's car in a tuner shootout in South Carolina, and was ran the same sorts of times I run in Houston, yet I was 1500 mile from my home track. So, like I said, I have a decent feel for how to drive these cars.

As for how a Viper driver would fare, if there are any Viper drivers good or otherwise who want to come play in Houston, I'm more than happy to meet up with fellow enthusiasts at the drag strip for a little fun. Also, the weight delta is more like 400lbs, not 200. My Z06 weighs 3220-3240 with me in it, and around 3050-3080 without me in it...

You're right though, on paper a Viper should be faster. But racing isn't always on paper, and when it comes down to dropping the hammer, you'd be suprised how close it all really is. The Viper and the Z06 aren't that far apart, and if you aren't on your game, its easy to loose that .2 you're talking about in a GenIII vs a Z06. 2 carlengths isn't a huge margin, just like this video shows.

Anyhow, no doubt the Vipers are cool cars. I think all that Ranger, and I, and a few others are saying is that Z06s aren't the mid 12 cars many of you seem to think they are. They are a bit quicker...

 

[PRVT JET]

I totaly disagree, i have not seen a stock z06 in the chicago area run 11's stock. I watched a lot of them at the track, this race was a highway run. the viper gen2 or gen 3 will spank the zo6 on the high very easy. We cruise a lot around here, and most of the time it racing. my car weighs 3300 with out me, so thats around 200 lbs.

 

[JRod]

3300 - 3050 = 250. I am pretty light (175). So, In most cases I would say I'm about 300lbs lighter than most Vipers. As far as not having seen one in Chi-Town. Well, I guess its a matter of when you go, and who is running. Again, I ran my car against a genIII and even though I ran smooth into the limiter in 1st, I lost by 2 lengths. This was pretty much the result in 3 races. From a dig I won by 2. You can also see the results of the posted video. Anyhow, like I said, both cars are cool, and both cars are fast.

 

[PRVT JET]

Hey dork c, Cat back, air filters,and dr's is not almost stock. You need to wake up, With the same mods the viper goes 11.9's. Thats almost 1/2 second faster. So Whay don't you wake up and see the vipers with some bolt-ons on et streets running 11.2-11.3's. SO WAKE UP VETTE FELLA!

 

[Ranger]

PRVT JET--I don't mean any disrespect....but let's see now, from your sig, you are running some mods and doing 11.9X and you don't post what the X is.

Now J-Rod has run an 11.78 bone-stock, that means stock tires and zero mods in his 02 Z06. In the same form, ie, zero mods on stock tires my 02 Z06 has run 11.81 and I have posted the link to the time slip and eye witness accounts.

Now if you want to talk just a non-stock air-filter or cold-air intake and non-stock tires, J-Rod has run 11.59 in his 02 Z06 and I have run 11.55 in mine and I posted the link to my certified time slip and several eye witness accounts, including one by this board's Jamie Furman.

So if you want to beat these two Z06s (1) in bone-stock form (that is if you go back to bone-stock) or with the CAI and non-stock tires, then you'll need to bring your A-game or a better driver.

Neither J-Rod not I did any trash talk. No need for you to do that either.

Ranger

 

[PRVT JET]

First of all, this was a high way race. you can bring any of those cars anytime. I apologize for sounding mean, but I'm tired of all this crap. If the z06 goes 11's stock, how come I no one has seen it in the magazine tests. A stock viper went 11.77, I just have not seen one around that ran that fast.

 

[Ranger]

I understand your skepticism.

But wringing the best times from a seriously traction-limited, manual-tranny car, such as the Viper or the Z06, requires seat-time, even for a super driver. There are a lot of things to get right, the launch rpm, the clutch release, three shifts, the throttle postion and hook on shifts, the shift points...on and on.

An owner with a lot of seat time and many passes--and, of course, "the knack,"--is always going to beat the times of the drivers for the car mags, who rarely get more than a couple days to learn the car, and then only a few handfuls of acceleration runs.

I must also say that before attending one of Jason Heffner's track rentals, I had never seen a Viper run faster than 12.6X. That day a bunch of bone stock and near stock Vipers were running low 12s. When Jason Heffner was handed their keys, he was able to drop the times of each car by .2 to .3 seconds. No change to the cars; just Jason's great driving. He was able to get several of the cars into the 11.9Xs and one into the 11.8Xs.

So, in sum, its the driver, his technique, and his experience with the car that cause significant time differences between identical cars at the same track on the same day. Holds true for Z06s, Vipers and any other traction-limited, manual-tranny car.

And, of course, this phenomenon is not limited to the drag strip. From your screen name of PRVT JET, you probably appreciate that in air-to-air combat, pilot skill and tactics determine who survives an engagement not just the raw performance figures of the aircraft involved.

Safe racing.

Ranger

 

[speedpup]

The hell with drag racing come to a track event to see a 99 c5 run

 

[SRT10_SWISS]

I understand your skepticism.

But wringing the best times from a seriously traction-limited, manual-tranny car, such as the Viper or the Z06, requires seat-time, even for a super driver. There are a lot of things to get right, the launch rpm, the clutch release, three shifts, the throttle postion and hook on shifts, the shift points...on and on.

Ranger

I found this post in the Z06 forum back im 2003. I think no additional coment is needed....



<font color="blue">This is the real deal! I was right behind Ranger. Sitting in the water box ready to do a burnout. I watched from launch to lights coming on.

It was a great launch, especially for stock tires. No spin to speak of. The shifts to 2nd, 3rd, &amp; 4th were solid and without tire spin. That really surprised me. But when the lights came on with 11.81, I just started screaming and cussing in amazement and frustration ( I was not on my game). The starter was laughing at me. I could not match Ranger's times and I was on drag radials and I have a Vortex air box.

Ranger and I have been on the same dyno back to back. The dyno shows 6 more HP for him when both of us have cold air boxes on.

Just goes to show you that Ranger is a DRIVER!!

Way to go, John.
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[ASKYOURWIFE]

Well as much as I respect Ranger ( for his acomplishments with Corvettes and being an infantry soldier for a while my self and knoweing what it takes to be a Ranger)

Even as a C5 owner I still must whole heartedly disagree with him.Yes there have been C5Z06's that have ran 11's...But seeing one has as much chance as seeing the bone stock camaro running 12.9. In reality people running 12.3 or better bone stock in c5Z06's make up 1 % of the total C5Z06 drag racing population.

When you start saying that C5Z06's can run 11's bone stock. Well..Now your gereralizing a production car as an 11 second car when in reality less than 0.01 % of the total C5Z06 drag racers ever hit that mark.

A C5Z06 is not an 11 second car.

A C5Z06 is not even a low 12 second car let alone a 11 second car. Let me crarify this and the way I perceive low/mid and high...

A 12.0 is a 12 flat car.
A 12.1-12.3 is a low 12 second car
A 12.4-12.6 is a mid 12 second car
A 12.7-12.9 is a high 12 second car
A 13.0 is a 13 flat car

In bone stock trim with an average guy driving at an avergaly prepped track at an average DA of 1500 ft.

The 2004 C5Z06 will pull 12.6-12.8

Now still the same car with an above average driver at the same track in the same conditions.

The 2004 C5Z06 will pull a 12.4-12.6

Now still the same bone stock 2004 C5Z06 with the above average driver. Still the same average prepped track but now with a DA of negative 300.

Now this C5Z06 may be capable of 12.2-12.4

Now the same bone stock C5Z06 at the same track with the samenegative DA of 300 and average prepp. But this time you not only have an above average driver. You have a super driver. Ranger.

Now this same bone stock C5Z06 mat be capable of 12.0-12.2

Now the same bone stock C6Z06 at the same track with a negative DA of 300 and a super driver like Ranger and ALSO The track is prepped like it's ready for a major super showdown between 8 second cars from all over the country.

Then and only then can a bone stock C5Z06 hit an 11.9 or POSSIBLY better pass..

But look at how many things have to fall in place for this magical 11 second bone stock C5 Z06 to be real. And it is real.They do exist. But Im more likely to see a camaro do 12.9 than a C5Z06 do a 11.9. And to date Ive never actually seen a bone stock camaro run a 12.9 as well.

All the magazines got 12.4-12.7 at 114-116 mph from bone stock C5Z06's. Is it a coincidence that 12.4-12.6 is what most C5Z06 drivers usualy fall between once they have some what mastered the heel to toe of the C5Z06?

I have no problem what so ever beleaving that a stock C5Z06 driver can run a 12.2-12.3 with practice. Your only talking about being 2-3 tenths quicker than what the vast majority of C5Z06 drivers can achieve.

BUT WHEN YOU START SAYING THAT A C5Z06 IS ONLY TWO TENTHS SLOWER THAN THE SRT10 AND THAT ALL C5Z06'S ARE CAPABLE OF HIGH 11'S. WELL AS A 2004 C5 OWNER IM APPAULLED TO HERE ANOTHER CORVETTE OWNER SAY SUCH THINGS.

If all C5 Z06's are capable of high 11's then why all the fuss over the new C6Z06 that seems to average 11.8?

THE C5Z06 IS A MID 12 SECOND CAR AVERAGING 12.4-12.6.

With a great driver a 12.2-12.3 may be obtainable.

This is no were near the performance of a SRT 10 Viper..No were within 2 tenths.

An average SRT10 driver will run a 12.0-12.2. With a great driver 11.9 is very doable.

A stock SRT 10 at a track thats prepped like it's ready for a major event with a density altitude of negative 300 and a super driver like EVAN SMITH or Ranger could run a 11.5.bone stock. Yes it would still be a solid 4 tenths faster than the C5Z06 no matter how you try to twist the numbers. With everything being equal it is 4 tenths and 4 mph faster.


An avergae driver in an gen 2 rt10 or GTS can run a 12.1-12.4.

Lets think about thatfor a second. An AVERAGE driver can pull those time in a gen two. Focus on the 12.4. The 12.4 is a crappy time for a gen 2. Because a decent driver can pull the 12.1. But that same 12.4 in a C5Z06 would be a pretty god time..


Imagine your at the drag strip with your friends who all own C5Z06's. By the end of the night you end up pulling a 12.4 at 116 mph in your bone stock C5Z06. Your gonna be pretty happy knowing that you just tied the fastest magazine number that you read of in the magazine isle at wal mart. Your friends are also gonna be pretty impressed that you were able to pull off that time. remember 12.4-12.6 is a pretty average time with 12.4 being on the good side of average.


Now Imagine your at the same drag strip but this time your in your new to you 1999 GTS, with all your Viper buddies there in there vipers as well.. You practice through the day and at the end of the night end up with a 12.4 at 116 mph. Now every thing that youve read says that the car is capable of 12.1 at 119 mph. But here you are with a 12.4 at 116 mph.

Look through the threads on this site and the first question you'll see people ask about their gen 2's when they go to the track for the first time and pull a 12.4 at 116 mph is....

IS THEIR SOMTHING WRONG WITH MY VIPER????

Their is a huge differance between these cars..

The 12.1 at 119 mph for the gen 2 Viper vrs the 12.4 at 116 mph for the C5Z06 might only look like 3 tenths and 3 mph on paper. But at the track the gen two viper guy running a 12.3 at 117 mph his first time ever driving down the quarter will piss hell out of the C5Z06 guy still trying to beat his best ever of 12.4 at 116 mph.

Ive been their and done that. After heads and cam on my C5 the stock gen 2 Vipers were still a good tenth faster than me. But I was several tenths faster than the C5Z06's that were still in stock form.


Not only is the gen 2, 3 tenths faster on average than the C5Z06. But it also dose this with a 3.07 gear vrs the m12 ( special 3.42 geared especialy for the 1/4 mile)...

What this translates to, is that while "only" a 3 tenth differance in the 1/4 mile. From a 70 mph roll the stock Viper will pull easily away from the stock C5Z06.

I have seen many c5Z06 drivers quote that after 100 mph the gen 2 Viper pulls away quite easily. so this is not simply my opinion.

The same M12 gearing that helps the C5Z06 to run a faster 1/4 mile also reduces top speed to 167-171 mph ( depending on wich mag you read) The C5 z06 is rpm ( gear) limited. With the regular coup C5's 3.42 gearing the C5Z06 would loose a tenth in the 1/4 mile but also be abe to achive a top speed of 180 mph. Unfortunetly GM did not choose this route.

The gen 2 Viper on the other hand can achive a speed of 175-180 mph for the rt10 and 187-191 mph for the GTS ( depending on wich mag you read.)


Hey I love all cars and as a current C5 owner I defiently have a soft spot for the C5. But I have seem both these cars run at the same track at the same time many many many times in the past 5 years. And stock for stock the gen 2 Viper was ALWAYS faster by a solid margin of 3 tenths.

Considering that a gen 2 cost 75 grand and the C5Z06 is 55 grand it's a hell of a deal. But being a hell of a deal is the only place were a C5Z06 would win in a stand off against a gen 2 or gen 3 Viper...

More than half these guys probaly drove a C5 or C5Z06 before their Viper or still currently own both.

And theyupgraded for a reason. The Viper is faster than the c5Z06.

 

[QUICKV10]

WOW thats alot of information

 

[Fred(DrivingSchool)Kinder]

How will a driver go faster on a drag strip after mastering heel to toe(blip the engine to match RPM when down shifting).

"All the magazines got 12.4-12.7 at 114-116 mph from bone stock C5Z06's. Is it a coincidence that 12.4-12.6 is what most C5Z06 drivers usualy fall between once they have some what mastered the heel to toe of the C5Z06?
"

 

[ASKYOURWIFE]

Im sorry..Buy saying heel to toe I was referring to shifting..Sorry for any confusion...

Many new Z06 owners have never ran ANY car at the drag strip before. But they were finally able to afford a Z06 and then start reading on the internet or making fiends with other car enthusiast and decide they want to see what she will do...

The first night they try they will likely hit a high 12 to low 13 in there C5Z06..Then after a few more outings settle into the 12.6-12.8 range. Then after mastering the launch and shifting they may make it to the 12.4 range or POSSIBLY better.

On the other hand...The average gen 2 owner will run a 12.6-12.9 on his very first night and after a few more outings be in the 12.3-12.6 range. Then after mastering the launch and shifting he will be in the 12.1 range or POSSIBLY better.

 

[1TONY1]

What Z06

video

 

[bluestreak]

I think ranger could run a 11.5 or better in a stock viper GEN II bone stock tires and all with some seat time.

 

[Snakester]

Thanks ASKYOURWIFE,

Judging cars soley by the best numbers ever obtained is not an accurate in reflecting the performance that people will actually get out of a car.

The average times for C5 Z06s at my local dragstrip ranged between 12.5 and 12.9, on street tires. That's not accounting for potentially updated air intakes or other minor mods. It's also taking out the couple times that I saw 14s by first time drivers or people who missed a shift, etc..

Ranger is literally an expert dragstrip driver. He knows dragstrip car prep, and how to powershift without destroying the clutch or transmission. But his excellent Z06 times (with and without drag radials) are FAR from representative of what the average Z06 drive is going to get at a dragstrip.

Road and Track, despite their slower performance test numbers, is actually pretty close to what I see at the track, as opposed to Motor Trend and Car &amp; Driver who usually get better numbers. Of course some dragstrips have better track prep, and are a lower altitude, and other factors that enable better times. Some are worse.

I think that it's important that people don't pin all of their expectations on how well a car performs on HP or the best expert-driver 1/4 mile numbers.

 

[Landman]

Different tracks also make a huge difference. I'd be willing to bet Ranger won't run a stock Gen2 Viper to an 11.5 at Mason Dixon in MD. MIR and Cecil County are two of the fastest tracks in the country, isn't that where he runs? Not to take anything from Ranger, he's obviously an incredible driver, but a perfectly prepped track, with cold temps outside, and low elevation, of course you're going to run much better times.
The best c5 Z06 I've seen run at Mason Dixon was a 12.4@114mph. That was with just intake. I was very impressed with that. The guy did a great job driving, but I don't care who was driving, that car would not have shaved off 6 tenths on that track to hit an 11.8. Maybe in 40 degree temps and with the stars all lined up perfectly, and even still.
I'll be at Mason Dixon this Friday for Street Night if theres any takers.

 

[Leslie]

Russ,

Yes I am for real. and I stand behind what I said, which I believe was respectful as this is your forum. If you live at the 1/4 mile track and don't see Z06's running 11'd with drag radials you should change tracks. I took a guy here in Atlanta with a bone stock 2001 who had NEVER drag raced before and had him running 12.6 on stock tires by the end of the night. I run 12.0@120 MPH in Atlanta with a Vararam and headers, stock tires - that is fact. I have raced a number of Vipers (including one that was supercharged but with an inexperienced driver) and never lost at the 1/4 mile. Several are on this forum. I have seen many GenII Vipers near stock run VERY low 12's, so I give them an edge. I have SEEN a stock 03 SRT (and have driven one BTW) run high 11's with a pretty average driver. Justin Bell, who I assume we all can respect, managed (as I recall) an 11.6 in a bone stock 03 Viper - that was incredible!

Comparing times between different tracks and different density altitudes is pointless. One response to this post about Vette owners having blue hair and how he walks a Z06 like a Civic??!! Give me a break on talking about who is real here.

Most of the comments here have been fair and reasonable - props to you.

Les

hey Les, good to see you here

yehp, we have several Z06's in our group who easily run 11's. We get together 1xyr down in Bowling Green and run at Beach Bend, and each year we do I see closer times to 9's and 10's on a 1/4 mile track