What is the problem with Gen I and II Vipers??

[SilverSnake]

Vipah,

Your profile says your an Executive of what bullsh!t. You must have one sorry life to just hang on the gen3 board and
bash us, What a LOSER.

 

[vipah]

Silver Snack, it appears that you need to get your mommy to read to you again.

 

[SilverSnake]

I hear ya, Now go gargle some executive nuts.
WHAT A LOSER

 

[dirk989]

It is common for people who do not know or understand the facts to resort to personal insults. Other than insulting Craig [I couldn't help myself] I have never resorted to such low brow tactics.

"YouWish" [who calls me 'dude'] says that I'm stupid. "YouWish" calls me stupid and refers to the Dupont Registry as 'the most esteemed car magazine out there.' Wow. I've been called stupid by someone who actually puts a plate on his car that reads YouWish. Uhhhh, no I don't. [I can't wait until you get a nice set of spinners on there too ricer boy.]

The funny thing is that this troll has responded to everyone's posts with insults and personal attacks. The only 'facts' he has used is that the Dupont Registry called the GTS the 3rd best car ever. [Ignoring that the DR is nothing more than a glossy 'Trader', there was never any such story.]

By the way, nice 'custom' paint. I wasn't aware that having something painted blue amounted to 'custom.' It just makes me appreciate all of the 'custom' paint jobs I see on the street that much more.

YouWish sounds like a 14 year old. The ratty old Viper with the 'custom' paint and very, eh...unique, license plate is probably owned by one of his mother's gold chain wearing, open shirt boyfriends.

"Dude" when you learn to spell or to speak coherently in complete sentences then I will be willing to intelligently discuss your opinions with you. Until then, scamper off to bed and get ready for school tomorrow. 8th grade can be such a difficult time.

Dirk

 

[NOMERCY]

I just think it is hilarious that this guy actually thinks the Dupont Registry is some authority on exotics.

 

[RockStar]

The only 'facts' he has used is that the Dupont Registry called the GTS the 3rd best car ever. [Ignoring that the DR is nothing more than a glossy 'Trader', there was never any such story.]

Dink989,

There most certainly was such a story, and your lame attempts at humor cannot possibly mask the ignorance with which you post.

Craig is a troll? Craig is DC's wet dream. He's the type of person DC needs to pay more attention to. Does DC really have to *sell* any of us on the quality of the Viper? I doubt it. After all, most of us are already repeat buyers. What they do need to do is impress upon the people that have never owned one and are soon to be in the market for a performance car that the Viper is heads and shoulders above the competition.

Is it really? Most likely not once the C6 Z06 comes out. If the Vette comes anywhere near the performance numbers of the Viper, and remains tens of thousands of dollars cheaper than the Viper, who in their right mind will spring the extra bucks to drive a Viper? Sure, they'll sell a few new models every year to those of us that remain fathful to the Viper brand (sidenote: if I had the dough, I'd go with the Ford GT in a heartbeat), but obviously that's not enough to keep the program moving ahead at full steam. If it were, the plant would be months behind fulfilling orders like it has been for the last 10 years with the Gen I's and II's.

You can't consider any car an exotic if you can drive by your local mom-n-pop dealership and snag a pair of them off the lot for below invoice.

The bottom line here is........Criag is right to question the intent of DC where the Viper program is concerned, as are all of us that want the Viper to remain king of the hill. The general concensus everywhere is that if they build anything close to the GTS-R concept that most Viper owners will gladly trade up to be the first on the block to own one.

Attacking Craig for having an opinion different from yours and accusing him of trolling only serves to expose your insecurities, whether they be personal or automotive related. I didn't see a disclaimer on this site or any other that says you can't post in a certain section unless you are:

A) A current or past owner; and

B) Are only going to post positive things about each car.

Criticism is what drives us to make better products. If any of you think that the Viper is the be-all-end-all of the performance car market then I feel sad for you. Car makers should never leave well enough alone, and "if it aint broke, don't fix it" doesn't keep a car manufacturer in the top 10 year in and year out.

The entire bunch of you that are attacking anyone that has a negative comment about your cars is what makes the Viper community suffer in the eyes of other sports car enthusiasts. Arrogance and Viper ownership do not come packaged in the same options group, or at least they shouldn't.

The RT/10 is a great car. The GTS is a great car. The SRT is a great car. The White Mamba actually did enough to change my opinion of the original SRT stylings, which IS 100% subjective.

Buuuuut, the Ford GT is a great car. The new Vette looks like it's going to be a great car. The new Mustang rocks.

See a pattern developing here?

If you think only people that have good things to say about your car should post, then start up a "Positive Feelings about the SRT-10" forum, and ban anyone that spits in your sandbox.

Until that day, counter Craig's issues with your personal feelings if you must, sing the praises of the allmighty SRT-10 if you feel the need, but unless you have something of substance to add to the conversation then kindly ****, because your smack really *****.

 

[dirk989]

RockStar (really?):

When did the Dupont Registry run this story? Do you have that issue handy? How many pages were devoted to this story? What were the criteria for establishing that the GTS was the 3rd best car ever?

As for Craig, his posts have gotten way out of line and turned personal in so many instances. I have no problem with anyone liking or not liking a particular car. Craig, yourself or anyone else. My original point was that I have every right to come to your house and say that your furniture is ugly, but that may not always be the appropriate response. Even a couple of people who have stood up for Craig have had to tell him that he has crossed the line of constructive criticism and became simply an ass.

Many of your points and opinions, despite the lack of tact and the insulting delivery, are very good. I agree that DC should keep pushing on and that looks are 100% subjective. I agree that other manufacturers have continued to raise the bar. I've said all of these things myself.

Of course, I assume that if I started bashing your car in the way that Craig and others have bashed the SRT-10, you would react similarly to the way many on here have reacted. Your response concerning the alleged DR 'story' proves that point. If I started posting that the GTS was a big piece of crap, you would quickly defend your point and if I persisted you would likely become insulted. Reading your post shows how little it takes for you to start launching personal attacks.

As for the ignorance with which I post, my lame attempts at humor, etc. being attempts to mask my insecurities....well read your last post. What are you masking?

"Unless you have something of substance to add to the conversation then kindly ****, because your smack really *****." Brilliant! You have raised the entire IQ of the Viper community with your post. Thank you. Oh wait, I didn't read a disclaimer on this site (to borrow your powerful argument) that says I can't post unless some canuck approves of my posts.

Dirk

 

[SRT10]

Quote by VIPAH

Silver Snack, you really make me laugh. I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

Hey Vipah (wannabe), this is Jack Powell Dodge, if you really need a good laugh you should come by our Service Managers office when you bring in your silver/blue **** C4 and try to pass that off as a Viper. LMAO

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VIPAH (Wannabe)
Steve ('99 Silver/Blue C4)

Hey VIPAH (wannabe), this is Jack Powell Dodge, the Mopar glue you ordered to paste your Viper emblems on your silver/blue C4 **** came in!

Also,your fat ass clogged the toilets in my dealership! You owe me $756.00 on top of the price of the glue!

Do bring that silver/blue C4 **** you try to pass off as a Viper,we need a good laugh!

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[SRT10]

VIPAH (wannabe),I hear ya, Now go gargle some executive nuts.
WHAT A LOSER

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[RockStar]

Dink (really?)

My reaction to your post on the DR story proves nothing other than the fact that I choose to research something before I discount it as myth. My point illustrates that your "fact" based criteria for intelligent posts loses most of its credibility if you choose to reply with blatant ignorance lack of knowledge, and underlying sarcasm.

You can bash my car all you like. I've had an RT and now an ACR, and have been more than ecstatic with both. I've driven the SRT and was impressed with the feel, but didn't love it as much as my current or former models. That's not a slam against the SRT, it's simply my taste.

The difference is, I don't give a rat's patooty what anyone else has to say, good or bad, and I certainly wouldn't cast aspersians at another enthusiast for finding flaws in either. If the cars were perfect there would have never been a need to change them.

The fact that Craig has as high a post count as he does without actually owning the car is a testament to his obsession with it. His opinion counts as much to me as anyone who's owned several of them. Ownership may have its privaledges, but it is not a prerequisite for criticism, nor is it a requirement of this site.

As for my own tastes; Personally, I would welcome you into my house to criticize my furniture. That way I could be sure that I made the right choice.

I find it extremely amusing that you criticize others for using off-topic insults in their posts and then counter with less amusing insults of your own.

I didn't realize it took a high IQ to recognize comlete idiocy.

 

[YouWish]

Don't be bitter dude just because you wasted your money on a SRT-10 when you could have had a GTS. I'm just here to report the facts...don't kill the messanger.

Hahahaha ... Dude what the hell is your problem? I said nothing about Viper SRT, GTS, RT10. All I said was the "Dupont Registrey" is a sales rag. You are a RETARD if you put any credibility in what the DUPONT REGISTRY says. What a fool ... hahahahah

Bitter??? Hey I am not the one ******* on everyones leg around here. That would be you ...

... maybe you should spend less time being an ass on the internet and more time cleaning that dirty POS of a VIPER you have. Those pics you have posted show a filthy engine compartment and a ratty ass interior. Since you have no performance upgrades, and all you have done is an ugly paint job and a Ghetto ass stereo system, one would think you would be more attentive to looking good and having basic automotive hygene. That's all you seem to care about anyway. Maybe the lack of paved roads where you live is the reason why your ride is as nasty as it is. NICE

"CUSTOM VIPER" hehehehehehe alright brutha. As long as YOU think so. Maybe all those people that you keep claiming are gawking at your "Custom Viper" are really looking at YOU. A freak show will do that you know ...

As far as what I "waste" my money on ... why don't you let me take care of that there champ, if I wanted a GTS I would have one.

BTW please tell me that is not a picture of your house that you posted behind your dirty ass Viper? If it is ... that explains alot.

Odviously living in the thin-air of Colorado has caused permafrost of the brain. I recommend you moving to sea-level asap that way your tiny brain can function at full capacity because odviously it's not cutting it where you live. Ok wise guy how many times has your Viper been featured in Viper magazine? Checkmate!!! Jealousy is a ***** isn't it??? Get over it and move on...

 

[vipah]

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Actually a better laugh is checking out SRT10's profile:

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Member # 1563
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Total Posts 660
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Occupation Philantropist (Just like Theresa Heinz Kerry.. the mother of all TROLLS)
Hobbies BUST ON TROLLS!
Location NJ, USA
Bio
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Registered on 04/07/01 10:00 AM

That's an interesting occupation you have there! LMAO LMAO LMAO!!





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SRT10, you are so dumb you don't even know that you spelled philanthropist wrong!!

You are one dumb ****!

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[NOMERCY]

[/QUOTE]Odviously living in the thin-air of Colorado has caused permafrost of the brain. I recommend you moving to sea-level asap that way your tiny brain can function at full capacity because odviously it's not cutting it where you live. Ok wise guy how many times has your Viper been featured in Viper magazine? Checkmate!!! Jealousy is a ***** isn't it??? Get over it and move on...

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Nice, the word is "OBVIOUSLY" you friken retard!

 

[RavenFan_94]

Ok wise guy how many times has your Viper been featured in Viper magazine? Checkmate!!! Jealousy is a ***** isn't it??? Get over it and move on...

Was it next to the one with the Dolphins on the doors? Oh, that is why they featured it. The 'feature' was aptly named: WHAT NOT TO DO WITH YOUR VIPER.

Did you build the kit yourself or actually pay Dodge for it?

 

[dirk989]

Famous RockStar says, "My reaction to your post on the DR story proves nothing other than the fact that I choose to research something before I discount it as myth"

What did you 'research'???

Again, from your research tell me what issue that 'story' appeared in? How many pages were used? What were the criteria for determining the greatest cars ever? What a bunch of crap. I love the GTS, but it is nowhere near the top 3 cars ever made. Among Viper owners, probably yes. Among the general automotive world, I doubt that it would even approach the top 10 or even top 50.

You mention, again, that my posts show ignorance about something. Enlighten me, oh wise one. What factual basis do you have for this? What point have I made that is factually incorrect?

You value Craig's opinion because he has made 4000+ posts. Huh? Making 4,000+ posts doesn't prove that you know anything or that your opinion is somehow valuable. Read over his posts. He has made some good points. He has also made countless posts that are nothing but little smily faces. Many, many of his posts have been nothing but insults directed towards others. That does not qualify him to head up DC.


Apparently you took offense to my position and chose to bash me, but you have offered no information or any point that is a logical response. You disagree. You like Craig. Hooray for you. You call me names and tell me to '****' Those responses do nothing to further whatever point it is that you are trying to make.

Maybe you wouldn't mind if I came to your house and openly talked about how tacky and cheap it looked, but most normal people would be offended. This is a very tasteless and tactless approach. I don't care if someone tells me they personally don't like my car. I could have bought a GenI or II but wanted the GenIII. Personally I prefer it. I just don't think it is very tasteful for people to state that it is a FACT that the entire world hates my car and that it is a FACT that it is ugly, etc. These types of responses are tasteless and tactless. If you don't understand this point then you never will.


I welcome your further insults, but I doubt that I'll be spending time responding. Perhaps you, Craig and vipuh could all type insults to each other using capital letters and lots of exclamation points. I'm sure that would be great fun.

Dirk

 

[NOMERCY]

Since we are talking about magazine popularity polls ... Automobile Magazine, (which is an actual magazine with articles about cars and tests etc. Not just ads ), had a feature in the October edition that ranked, in their opinion, the 100 coolest cars. The GTS ranked 65th. Now I personally do not agree, I think the GTS is one of the coolest cars of all time. It does show, however, that these mag polls mean very little.

 

[SRT10]

Actually a better laugh is checking out SRT10's profile:

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Member # 1563
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Total Posts 660
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Occupation Philantropist (Just like Theresa Heinz Kerry.. the mother of all TROLLS)
Hobbies BUST ON TROLLS!
Location NJ, USA
Bio
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Registered on 04/07/01 10:00 AM

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SRT10, you are so dumb you don't even know that you spelled philanthropist wrong!!

You are one dumb ****!

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VIPAH (wannabe)
Steve ('99 Silver/blue C4)

It took you two posts to figure that out!LMAO

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You *******, tell us what else. Your too stupid to figure it out..but Jack Powell Dodge wants to know how a hippo can fit into the silver/blue C4 **** that you drive?LMAO

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[vipah]

SRT10, you would have never figured out why I was laughing at you unless so I just had to tell you!

Are you really as dumb as you appear?

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[YouWish]

NoMercy:I have grown tired of this thread. I live only 5 hours away from Denver the next time I'm in the neighborhood do you want to go rolling?

 

[NOMERCY]

NoMercy:I have grown tired of this thread. I live only 5 hours away from Denver the next time I'm in the neighborhood do you want to go rolling?

Come on down. We can roll anyway you want ...

 

[YouWish]

NoMercy:I have grown tired of this thread. I live only 5 hours away from Denver the next time I'm in the neighborhood do you want to go rolling?

Come on down. We can roll anyway you want ...

Do you live in Denver? I have a H2 also I can tow my Viper down and we can go off-roading and go on some spirited runs sound like fun to me!!!

 

[NOMERCY]

[/QUOTE]Do you live in Denver? I have a H2 also I can tow my Viper down and we can go off-roading and go on some spirited runs sound like fun to me!!!

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Yes, I live in a southern suburb of Denver. I doubt we will get to do any spirited Viper vs. Viper anytime soon though. My Viper is leaving pretty quick for a Heffner Twin Turbo conversion,(it may be ugly but it will be veeeeery fast ). The Porsche goes in for more upgrades in January as well. We could run H2 vs. Avalanche though, on the pavement of course.

 

[YouWish]

Do you live in Denver? I have a H2 also I can tow my Viper down and we can go off-roading and go on some spirited runs sound like fun to me!!!

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Yes, I live in a southern suburb of Denver. I doubt we will get to do any spirited Viper vs. Viper anytime soon though. My Viper is leaving pretty quick for a Heffner Twin Turbo conversion,(it may be ugly but it will be veeeeery fast ). The Porsche goes in for more upgrades in January as well. We could run H2 vs. Avalanche though, on the pavement of course.



[/QUOTE]I will shoot you a PM the next time I will be in Denver. At the very least we can go out for a few drinks. Go Raiders!!!

 

[NOMERCY]

How did you know I was a Raider fan??

 

[Hirohawa]

It's better when everyone gets along.

Kudos to NoMercy and YouWish for squashing the trash talk.

 

[YouWish]

How did you know I was a Raider fan??

I had no idea. I am a Raiders fan and I just figured your a Broncos fan and they play tonight.

 

[NOMERCY]

I have been a Raiders fan since 1972 (I was 7 years old then). I am not too popular around here during football season ... but since they **** again this year I have not been too fired up about it.

 

[00prowler]

I think if I put A Vipair on my GTS I could smoke any SRT...Yes???

 

[RavenFan_94]

Good one prowler. That was an epic thread...

 

[IEATVETS]

dirk989, my friend, you are an idiot!