where is the power for the ACR

[0007]

Am I missing something. All I heard about the ACR is that it's going to have a weight reduction 80lbs, upgraded brakes, new color scheme, front spliter, and back wing. How do you justify the price tag? Atleast with the Shelby KR for 27k more you can get extra 225hp making it into 725hp. And Corvette ZR1 that's coming out price around 100k you get extra 150hp. I'm not saying these car's are better than the ACR, but I would of expected some hp gains from the ACR.

 

[black mamba1]

Am I missing something. All I heard about the ACR is that it's going to have a weight reduction 80lbs, upgraded brakes, new color scheme, front spliter, and back wing. How do you justify the price tag? Atleast with the Shelby KR for 27k more you can get extra 225hp making it into 725hp. And Corvette ZR1 that's coming out price around 100k you get extra 150hp. I'm not saying these car's are better than the ACR, but I would of expected some hp gains from the ACR.

I agree totally.

 

[MikeR]

Am I missing something. All I heard about the ACR is that it's going to have a weight reduction 80lbs, upgraded brakes, new color scheme, front spliter, and back wing. How do you justify the price tag? Atleast with the Shelby KR for 27k more you can get extra 225hp making it into 725hp. And Corvette ZR1 that's coming out price around 100k you get extra 150hp. I'm not saying these car's are better than the ACR, but I would of expected some hp gains from the ACR.

Well, it has better aerodynamics. Its got a rear wing, splitters, better tires/wheels and suspension. Lighter/Better brake rotors,etc. And a slight wieght reduction. Does it justify the price, sure, a stock Viper is 90K, this has probably close to 10K in mods if you were to purchase on your own and it will all be for under 100K. Should it also have more power then a SRT, maybe... it would have been nice,
But more power doesnt always make you faster at the track. I think they did good.

 

[Smog Dog]

I think SRT did a great job with the ACR. More horsepower is always a nice thing, but to change anything on the engine would have meant recertification for emissions. Very costly when small production numbers are considered, and in the real world we live in, just aint gonna happen. People in hell want icewater, too!

 

[fastmd]

Quick answer 0007: don't buy one, go buy a stinkstang or become a VCA member and then bash!

 

[black mamba1]

It is a slippery slope. More power deff means more expensive if we get into emissions issues. But as car guys, more power is always better. It would have been nice, but the car is still awesome the way it is.

 

[AviP]

I want more power. Let me say that again. I want MoPar 675hp option.

 

[HI-NOS-Viper]

I want more power. Let me say that again. I want MoPar 675hp option.

We do need to up the HP tp at least that of the 2009 Vette. We after all did know that they were coming out with the 650 hp 3100 weight version of the Vette. We need to at least hit 650, im sure the Engineers can get another 50hp out of the massive V10 engine. I am not saying HP is everything, but with a race weight of 3100 pounds at 650 hp, well honestly, it will win sad to say.

 

[CitySnake]

Bench racing with yet to be produced cars, motors and specifications! Hard to beat it.

 

[AFL in NJ]

As AviP said, there is another 75hp available in dealer installed options.....675 hp should be plenty enough to beat both the Stang and the Vette.....and thankfully no one will think your Viper is just another car; it will draw huge amounts of attention.

Regards,
Aaron

 

[0007]

fastmd:
I would never bash a VIPER. If i could somehow persuade my wife to park her car on the street, I would definately have a b/w gts or a srt10 coupe parked next to my superformance cobra today. To me a Viper is a modern day Shelby Daytona. I'm just saying with all the hp war going on, why not have the exta hp in the pocket.

 

[MikeR]

fastmd:
I would never bash a VIPER. If i could somehow persuade my wife to park her car on the street, I would definately have a b/w gts or a srt10 coupe parked next to my superformance cobra today. To me a Viper is a modern day Shelby Daytona. I'm just saying with all the hp war going on, why not have the exta hp in the pocket.

And why try and beat a 2009 Vette that isnt out yet. Id wait too and see what Chevy actaully brings to the table. Then our 2009 can come out and have 675hp, 700hp, whatever.
This time I actually believe SRT guys have something just "waiting". Some plan , ready to be released when needed. Id love to see SRT partner with one of the tuners, Doug Levin,DC Perf, UGR and introduce a "Factory S/c or TT" Viper and end this HP battle.
Still as of right now, we have the American car King in our stable, 600hp Viper SRT-10.

 

[Paul Hawker]

With 600 hp on tap, the best way to make the Viper faster on a road course is with enhanced aerodynamics, stickier tires and less unsprung weight.

The ACR is American Club Racer. Designed for those that track their vehicles (and some poseurs).

Think this edition will be very successful.

 

[xlr8ion]

With all the track options this car will beat everthing out on the track except dedicated race cars that weigh much less.

 

[KenH]

Am I missing something. All I heard about the ACR is that it's going to have a weight reduction 80lbs, upgraded brakes, new color scheme, front spliter, and back wing. How do you justify the price tag? Atleast with the Shelby KR for 27k more you can get extra 225hp making it into 725hp. And Corvette ZR1 that's coming out price around 100k you get extra 150hp. I'm not saying these car's are better than the ACR, but I would of expected some hp gains from the ACR.

The GT500s are selling for about 60K and your extra $28K only gets you to the 600 number on the KR mustang which means for the same price as a Viper you can have a mustang with the same HP that is heavier and inferior in every performance test. I have seen no pricing published for the 725hp version. Also keep in mind that this is a tuner car and not a Ford product, so you can't really compare it to the Viper or ZR1 rolling off the assembly line.

Also, you only get about 50HP more on the ZR1, not 150 for you extra $20K or whatever it ends up being over the standard Viper. I'm pretty sure that on the road course which is what the ACR is designed for, it will beat out the ZR1 even if it gives up 50HP and some weight with the better aerodynamics, braking and tires.

 

[AviP]

Id love to see SRT partner with one of the tuners, Doug Levin,DC Perf, UGR and introduce a "Factory S/c or TT" Viper and end this HP battle.

I'd hate to see that happen and would turn away from the Viper instantly. I want the Viper to stay naturally aspirated.

 

[IEATVETS]

Bottom line, Dodge STILL needs to shave a couple hundred pounds off this car.

 

[Viper X]

Think "aftermarket" on the new ACR. I'll bet that headers, exhaust and a few other changes will make quite a bit more power.

 

[Paul Hawker]

Easy to chuck a couple hundred pounds off a Viper if you're going to use it as a dedicated track car.

Corvette has produced their z06 weighing 150+/- less. Now their roofs blow off, engine overheats, brakes over heat, and the seats are so flimsy you would expect they came from a Simca.

Dodge builds their Vipers stout. They can be flogged and hold up much better than Vettes.

Lotus does the lightness thing as good as anyone, and on a tight track they can hand Vipers and Vettes their lunch, but do not know of anybody that currently produces a 600 hp car that is lighter and costs under $100k.

PS. Vettes routinely get creamed at Viperdays events.

 

[DMan]

The ACR is about track performance, as in a road course.

A GT500KR with 725 hp (and solid rear axle, 4,000 lbs) vs a 600 ACR on a road course, no contest, I'd love to take that race against the GT for pinks ... cause I'd love to have GT500KR.

Guys are running 550-600 rwhp in the GT500s and only turning 120-125mph in the quarter, these things are 2tons (of fun), but still, a pig. Understand, I've had 6 stangs since '87, 4 Cobras, I have an 03 Cobra Terminator with 523rwhp, but it's no match for my Viper, but these are 2 very diff't cars bought for different reasons - I'll have a GT500 next year as the prices are finally now running at MSRP.

As for the hp wars, frankly to me it's a poser battle, like your cars hp is in correlation to you penis length or something. The Viper is about more than just posing with a big number, IF the vette comes with performance that requires more Viper power - well, there's the Mopar option for 75+hp, and Dodge is watching & will respond with more if needed, as they have before.

 

[bluestreak]

How much power did the Gen II ACR have over the base model??

Like 10

This shouldnt be a surprise, as mentioned before, the ACR is for ROAD RACING, and that 600 hp is much more than 99% of owners can handle at the limit with no TC. So before you go whinning about more power, make sure you can handle what is there first. The ACR is about refinement, not big hp that's undriveable.

And as other have mentioned, ACR + Mopar 675 = OMG, unstopable.

 

[sween]

It would nice to have more HP, but I think it would be better if it lost 150-200 pounds. I'm not complaining though, I'm still greatful that SRT gave us 600 HP in 08

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

This shouldnt be a surprise, as mentioned before, the ACR is for ROAD RACING, and that 600 hp is much more than 99% of owners can handle at the limit with no TC. So before you go whinning about more power, make sure you can handle what is there first. The ACR is about refinement, not big hp that's undriveable.

It's bad enough you preach about TC in every one of your post, but please don't ever mention the word "refinement" in a discussion about Vipers.

Your Corvette is refined, our Vipers are not. We like it that way.

 

[SnakeEye]

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluestreak
This shouldnt be a surprise, as mentioned before, the ACR is for ROAD RACING, and that 600 hp is much more than 99% of owners can handle at the limit with no TC. So before you go whinning about more power, make sure you can handle what is there first. The ACR is about refinement, not big hp that's undriveable.

It's bad enough you preach about TC in every one of your post, but please don't ever mention the word "refinement" in a discussion about Vipers.

Your Corvette is refined, our Vipers are not. We like it that way.

 

[09 Venom]

Does anybody know if the 75HP performance option from Mopar performance parts void the factory warranty if it is installed by the dealer?

 

[FE 065]

I agree totally.

Me 3


The rest are in denial. If someone would have posted a pic of their '06 coupe all riced out like that a year ago, he would have been ridiculed without mercy.

 

[Camfab]

Guys everyone keeps mentioning the 75 HP Mopar Performance Parts upgrade. Is everyone referring to the ACR concept? If so that motor was completely redone with Titanium components and more. It's no simple bolt on deal, I'd figure a solid $25,000 for the engine work listed. If I'm wrong and there is a package, I'd love to hear about it.

I think Dodge did a great job on the ACR, I just can't figure out why they negated the harnesses. All this bench racing and the base Viper STILL is'nt on the streets!! The ZR-1 is going to be at the Detroit show before the Vipers even hit the streets. Really BAD marketing move on Dodges part.

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Me 3


The rest are in denial.

Denial of what? Dodge is building 600hp now, GM is talking, and talking, and talking about 2009.

 

[MikeR]

I'd hate to see that happen and would turn away from the Viper instantly. I want the Viper to stay naturally aspirated.

I wouldnt want to see it be the "only Viper", but if they mad a run of 100, 200, 300 like a editionetc, it would be enough to quite the Vette boys, still have a N/A ACR version, stilll have a Comp Coupe,.

If we can now get a 600hp factory warranty car while others are looking upwards of 700hp, why not make a factory package available. Otherwise the Viper needs to losee 200-300lbs to stay competitive.

 

[CitySnake]

Does anybody know if the 75HP performance option from Mopar performance parts void the factory warranty if it is installed by the dealer?

To the best of my knowledge, nothing has ever voided a Tator Factory Warranty!