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[Mopar426]

The Zo6 Coupe is not 20,000 dollars cheaper, I was In the showroom today and it is selling for 71900 MSRP and not a dime cheaper, as a matter of fact some dealers are selling at as much as 20,000 over this price ??????????????
Thats just few Thousand under my 2005 SRT 10 CONVERTIBLE, so lets not get so excited. Besides our cars look better, and theirs look almost like any other Vette. It' worth a few bucks more for exclusivity to me, and if it is faster so what? There will always be faster cars, I can build one for a lot less than the Viper or the vette. So love your Viper like I do and get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MSRP is $65,000, loaded w/ options comes to $70,000. Those who pay OVER sticker are getting ripped, dealers on the Vette forum are selling them for MSRP

Sure you can BUILD a Viper to be faster than the Stock Z06 but you are missing the point. For the past 10yrs Viper owners have been laughing their *** at Vette/mustang/Camaro onwers who build there cars to be a stock Viper. Now the tables are tunrned and it's quite sad. What is downdright PATHETIC is some Viper owners are boasting "I don't care if I'm slower it's more exclusive". At one time Viper had both speen and rarity. It seems they now may not have either since only 2500 or Z06's are scheduled to be built.

Sad indeed....

 

[ivanrho]

"My point was toward someone making excuses about how long it too the Vette to be competitive. Who cars how long it took first across the line is all that matters. "


I wasn't making any excuses about how long it took the Vette to catch up with the Viper. Just comparing apples to apples. 1992-2005 Viper to a 1992-2005 Vette: Let's see, 14 years (not 10 like I orginally stated), Viper much faster and higher gawk factor, better handling, better brakes. ....looks like the Viper Wins hands down.

So after 14 years, now the Vette is a bit faster? I guess it all depends on what magazine you read and trust. The new Z06 is the best thing out of the Chevy camp in a long long time.

And by the way, my Pinto does 10.32 @ 140 MPH. ;-)

 

[sween]

"I don't care if I'm slower it's more exclusive". At one time Viper had both speen and rarity.

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yes at one time the viper had more speen. lol

 

[GR8_ASP]

Don't listen to Mopar426. He is NOT a Viper owner. He has been here bemoaning the Viper since he got here. If anything he is a BIG Z06 supporter. You will never be able to talk sense with him. It is an all or nothing position and he does not accept that other opinions exist. If we all thought like this idiot there would only be 1 car available worldwide. He cannot understand there are many things that real buyers consider beyond the performance numbers magazines report.

 

[Mopar426]

Don't listen to Mopar426. He is NOT a Viper owner. He has been here bemoaning the Viper since he got here. If anything he is a BIG Z06 supporter. You will never be able to talk sense with him. It is an all or nothing position and he does not accept that other opinions exist. If we all thought like this idiot there would only be 1 car available worldwide. He cannot understand there are many things that real buyers consider beyond the performance numbers magazines report.

Sorry if I call it like I see it, if you can't accept DC is sleeping on the job than continue to to have your head in the sand. Rather than beg DC to get back in the ball game and up the ante you rathe have your "exclusitivity". My what full circle has the Viper gone. First it was the baddest thing to hit the streets since the early 70's now it has declining sales and "Exclusitivity" is the # 1 priority.


But yes, if not accepting things as they may makes me an "idiot" so be it.

 

[GR8_ASP]

You still do not get it. Your, that is YOUR opinion is ... That does not make it my opinion. And I have shelled out the cash for ViperS. I think I have a right to an opinion without being considered to have my head in the sand.

And full circle. Did you know for the first several years of Viper production that the Viper was the cheaper alternative (yes, the Corvette was MORE expensive), and that the Viper was slower than the Corvette? It had rawness and appearance in its court versus the much higher tech King of the Hill Vette.

And please do clarify the declining sales statement. Could you please post the sales records over the past 14 years and prove that thought.

 

[sween]

You still do not get it. Your, that is YOUR opinion is ... That does not make it my opinion. And I have shelled out the cash for ViperS. I think I have a right to an opinion without being considered to have my head in the sand.

And full circle. Did you know for the first several years of Viper production that the Viper was the cheaper alternative (yes, the Corvette was MORE expensive), and that the Viper was slower than the Corvette? It had rawness and appearance in its court versus the much higher tech King of the Hill Vette.

And please do clarify the declining sales statement. Could you please post the sales records over the past 14 years and prove that thought.

yes that is true, the viper didnt START out as the king of the hill. i have the old magizanes and they said the vette was king of the hill.

 

[Mopar426]

And please do clarify the declining sales statement. Could you please post the sales records over the past 14 years and prove that thought.

I'm not the only talking about sales, visit the Gen III section there are threads about it there. Besides prior to the Gen III I've NEVER seen a Viper sit on the lot like there are/were(prior to Katrina) here. I'm NOT saying the car is bad, etc just saying what is going on locally and apparently around the country per other Viper owners.

 

[kwiksilver]

"much higher tech king of the hill" lol don't you remember who built that engine??? I believe it was merc marine or some other "high tech co."

 

[terminator02]

I think that if the current iteration of Viper came out in 1992 srt-10 and then followed in 96 with the srt coupe with the performance of the old cars, people would still ***** about the same stuff today. The fact is that the viper was a very different animal compared to cars at that time. it struck a chord in our minds and hearts that persist today. I think the SRT and the new Coupe look awesome but maybe "some" people just dont have that same "WOW" factor. Well its hard to usurp that original design. The new design is still great and the interior is better along with the performance aspects. If in 1992 you saw the SRT 10 debut it would be just as awesome. But then the "old" style comes out in 2003 it wouldnt be met with such warm welcome because its not so over the top. It is just different. Both good and bad.

 

[Mopar426]

"much higher tech king of the hill" lol don't you remember who built that engine??? I believe it was merc marine or some other "high tech co."

Designed by GM/Lotus built by Mercuiser. The ZR1 was a "OK at best" car with a great engine capable of 800hp+ Naturally Aspirated and still holds several world records.

NEW INTERNATIONAL RECORDS

100 Miles @ 175.600 MPH

500 Miles @ 175.503 MPH

1000 Miles @ 174.428 MPH

5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH

5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH

12 Hours Endurance @ 175.523 MPH

24 Hours Endurance @ 175.885 MPH for 4,221.256 Miles



WORLD RECORDS - IRRESPECTIVE of CATEGORY or CLASS



5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH

5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH

4,221.256 Miles @ 175.885 MPH

 

[Y2K5SRT]

I'm not the only talking about sales, visit the Gen III section there are threads about it there. Besides prior to the Gen III I've NEVER seen a Viper sit on the lot like there are/were(prior to Katrina) here. I'm NOT saying the car is bad, etc just saying what is going on locally and apparently around the country per other Viper owners.

This is the Gen III section, but that is besides the point. Vipers used to sell out for one major reason: They were built to order. And the numbers? In the very last year of Gen II production (2002), including 360 Final Editions, they only built 1,463 Vipers. In 2003 they sold out because they were presold to current Viper owners (all 1875 of them). In 2004 DC took the "if you build them, they will come" approach and that is where they fell flat on their faces. 2,435 Vipers were built with the vast majority never ordered by any individuals. Suddenly you had 1,000 "extra" Vipers out there that sat on rural dealer lots (many got their first Vipers ever and had no idea what to do with them) and simply drove down the prices. Supply and demand, with supply exceeding demand.

Here is a little fact for you: There were more 2004 SRT-10's sold than ANY model year of the GTS (by a 50% margin). Only the 1994 RT/10 outsold it, otherwise the 2004 SRT-10 outsold every single model year of the RT/10 as well. How about that.

As for excuses, here you go.

 

[VIPER GTSR 91]

The Zo6 Coupe is not 20,000 dollars cheaper, I was In the showroom today and it is selling for 71900 MSRP and not a dime cheaper, as a matter of fact some dealers are selling at as much as 20,000 over this price ??????????????
Thats just few Thousand under my 2005 SRT 10 CONVERTIBLE, so lets not get so excited. Besides our cars look better, and theirs look almost like any other Vette. It' worth a few bucks more for exclusivity to me, and if it is faster so what? There will always be faster cars, I can build one for a lot less than the Viper or the vette. So love your Viper like I do and get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am afraid it is. I just ordered my new zo6 last month for a firm $67,500 with the polished wheel option ( no goofy gps though that would add a lot) Build date is end of Oct.

 

[GR8_ASP]

But if you pay 87,500 for an SRT (67,500 + 20,000) you are a fool. The 67,500 is only 5,000 less than my SRT was. And, for me, 5,000 well spent.

 

[Andy 98 RT/10]

Don't listen to Mopar426. He is NOT a Viper owner. He has been here bemoaning the Viper since he got here. If anything he is a BIG Z06 supporter. You will never be able to talk sense with him. It is an all or nothing position and he does not accept that other opinions exist. If we all thought like this idiot there would only be 1 car available worldwide. He cannot understand there are many things that real buyers consider beyond the performance numbers magazines report.

I agree. While the Gen II is my favorite viper, I like the Gen III a lot. It does get really annoying to see Mopar constantly bashing the srt-10, when he has never owned any Viper.

 

[Mopar426]

I agree. While the Gen II is my favorite viper, I like the Gen III a lot. It does get really annoying to see Mopar constantly bashing the srt-10, when he has never owned any Viper.

So since I don't have a Viper my OPINION is invalid??? I'm a DODGE owner several times owner and searching for the "right" car.

Didn't know so many here are so sensative about there cars. I apologize, didn't mean to hurt some of you delicate feelings. If I was bashing the car calling it a POS then by all means fire away. But just because I give an opinion or fact that isn't stating "the Viper is fast enough, no more power is wanted" I'm a wannabe.

I'm critical about all cars especially my own. Hell My Hemi is worth over $150,000 yet has the build quality of a Yugo, at least I'm man/mature enough to admit that every car can be improved to some extent.

 

[FikseGTS]

check again..... base MSRP of the Z06 is $65,800, and the base MSRP of the SRT-10 Coupe is $86,995....

a difference of: $21,195......

add in the gas guzzler tax for the Viper..... and you're over 24k difference...

add in some additional sales tax your going pay on the 24k difference, and you're at a final difference of $25k+

I do enjoy my Viper..... doesn't mean I can't be disappointed about the new Viper Coupe being trouced performancewise by the Vette....

The Zo6 Coupe is not 20,000 dollars cheaper, I was In the showroom today and it is selling for 71900 MSRP and not a dime cheaper, as a matter of fact some dealers are selling at as much as 20,000 over this price ??????????????
Thats just few Thousand under my 2005 SRT 10 CONVERTIBLE, so lets not get so excited. Besides our cars look better, and theirs look almost like any other Vette. It' worth a few bucks more for exclusivity to me, and if it is faster so what? There will always be faster cars, I can build one for a lot less than the Viper or the vette. So love your Viper like I do and get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GR8_ASP]

With one big IF. That is IF you pay MSRP. Take a tally here and guess how many paid MSRP for their SRT. I sure as heck did not.

 

[kwiksilver]

My 04 srt was un-

 

[kwiksilver]

try this again, my srt was untitled, with 2k miles, and they began the bargaining at $66K

 

[kwiksilver]

Oh, and my top goes down, and it doesn't look just like 40,000 other cars made by chevy that same year.

 

[SnakeBitten]

Hate to break it to you whiners but the there was a test done by R&T on the same day etc..Viper Coupe vs FGT and C6 Z06...Results were Viper last in all acceleration tests...A very telling statement was that the Vette did 115 mph on a straightaway on one of the tracks where the Viper could only muster 108mph...The FGT did the same straightaway a mph slower than the Vette at 114 mph. Aggressive gearing and still topping out at 198mph, 8 mphs faster than the Coupe if you believe the article....They fliped floped numbers in the breaking and lateral G departments...Anyone still in denial will always be in denial...The Z06 is the new king of the hill...DC made sure they would be afterall Looks aside, they brought out a coupe thats heavier than the convertable and kept the same power level..brilliant ....BTW in the article they describe the Vette's power delivery as brutal and the Viper as more subdued...If that dont tell you the tables have been turned what will. It also tells you about who is more serious about making a world class sportscar and who is actually listening to there customers. 500hp in a portly car cant cut it DC not at this level.

What would be nice is if DC did a dedicated Viper ACR like the Z06 is to the regular Vette...Give the ACR an aluminum frame thats good for at least 200lbs weight savings and give the motor a boost to 600hp...100hp difference just like in the reg C6 vs Z06...Spend some time in the windtunnel while you are at it and send the Viper to finishing school....This Viper feels like a Victim of social promotion...No one really cared and sent it on its way with enough to just barely get by...

 

[Mopar426]

Oh, and my top goes down, and it doesn't look just like 40,000 other cars made by chevy that same year.

Don't forget exclusitivity that seems to be the priority these days LOL

 

[SylvanSRT]

many of the educated in the Viper community have paid dealer invoice(or slightly more or less) the dealer invoice on my car in '03 was $76k and change and thats what i paid. that really narrows the difference down quite a bit to have a car that in '03 they built 1875 of vs. the 30,000+ of the vette for that year. In '03 the SRT could not be touched in performance without spending a minimum of $40-200k more. Additionally at the time there was only ONE other car that made over 500hp( lambo murcialago) soon to be followed by the ferrari 575maranello. Now after 4 model years of car makeing there are more than a handful of 500+hp cars and a few with 600+hp. The Z06 has greatly benefitted from the extra years of development in the same way the '03 SRT's were ahead of the curve against the c5 and 911, 360's of the day.

 

[hemibeep]

Well, this is like an ongoing ping-pong game. I am a diehard mopar guy, and I have to give props to chevy. Chevy has done well. I will stay with my lowly near stock GEN II and watch the ping-pong keep going.
I wasn't a giant fan of the GEN III, but the new coupe in B/W looks pretty D@mn good.

Who knows what DC will do? I am out of $$ for a GEN III anyway.

While the new Z-06 may kick my a$$, I don't care. The Gen II B/W is MY dream car, that is all that matters to me.

P.S. Mopar 426, after a while of listening to you, seems you may want to go with CHEVY 427...you're makin my Hemi look bad.

 

[sween]

Hate to break it to you whiners but the there was a test done by R&T on the same day etc..Viper Coupe vs FGT and C6 Z06...Results were Viper last in all acceleration tests...A very telling statement was that the Vette did 115 mph on a straightaway on one of the tracks where the Viper could only muster 108mph...The FGT did the same straightaway a mph slower than the Vette at 114 mph. Aggressive gearing and still topping out at 198mph, 8 mphs faster than the Coupe if you believe the article....They fliped floped numbers in the breaking and lateral G departments...Anyone still in denial will always be in denial...The Z06 is the new king of the hill...DC made sure they would be afterall Looks aside, they brought out a coupe thats heavier than the convertable and kept the same power level..brilliant ....BTW in the article they describe the Vette's power delivery as brutal and the Viper as more subdued...If that dont tell you the tables have been turned what will. It also tells you about who is more serious about making a world class sportscar and who is actually listening to there customers. 500hp in a portly car cant cut it DC not at this level.

What would be nice is if DC did a dedicated Viper ACR like the Z06 is to the regular Vette...Give the ACR an aluminum frame thats good for at least 200lbs weight savings and give the motor a boost to 600hp...100hp difference just like in the reg C6 vs Z06...Spend some time in the windtunnel while you are at it and send the Viper to finishing school....This Viper feels like a Victim of social promotion...No one really cared and sent it on its way with enough to just barely get by...

it was automobile mag not R&T

 

[Mopar426]

P.S. Mopar 426, after a while of listening to you, seems you may want to go with CHEVY 427...you're makin my Hemi look bad.

Making a Hemi look bad, is that even possible? LOL Actually I share your point of view. No way would I buy a C6 Z06 or even a Gen III. While I think they're are both incredible cars, my intrest still lies w/ the Gen II's, GTS in particular.

Now if I could only my that V10 sound like my Hemi... rool:

 

[FikseGTS]

comparing what people pay is POINTLESS..... the FACT is the vette is 25k less.... I'm sure some "friend of a dealer" can get a Z06 at invoice just like some people can get an SRT10 Convertible for invoice....

You think the new SRT10 Coupe is selling for invoice right now? doubt it..... the Z06 should be compared the Coupe, not the Viper Convertible anyway.....

With one big IF. That is IF you pay MSRP. Take a tally here and guess how many paid MSRP for their SRT. I sure as heck did not.

 

[Fiorano]

Why doesn't Dodge just take the carbon and engine work from the SRT-10 carbon, apply it to the coupe and be done with it. We would have a coupe with 625 hp and about 150 lbs less weight. I'd likely trade in my GTS for that.

 

[Mopar426]

Why doesn't Dodge just take the carbon and engine work from the SRT-10 carbon, apply it to the coupe and be done with it. We would have a coupe with 625 hp and about 150 lbs less weight. I'd likely trade in my GTS for that.

Because now Mercedes is given top priority ratrher than Dodge vehicles.