Available Viper - Graduating College - Uh oh!!!...lol

[FranciscoR.]

Here is something I came across. It is not the best color scheme but dangit, it is stil a Viper!!! Anyhow, I have some questions about this car. For starters, I have seen it before like 2-3 times on Ebay. Am I the only one? Second, it says it has extremely low miles, but reads over 42k. Am I missing something here? The radio, while he says fix it, is it pretty easy to get a CD wire adaptor to put in a DVD / TV player? Also, anything else you can tell me (including but I HATE to ask ) even the Vin# check...(God I feel dumb asking.) I am thinking not a penny over 25g-30g. What do you all think? Thanks in advance...Frank

 

[SNKEBIT]

 

[FranciscoR.]

Re: Available..etc...heres the link...check it out

DOH!!!....well duh. Can't belive I forgot.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=6209&item=2447272435

 

[FranciscoR.]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

DOH!!!....well duh. Can't belive I forgot.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=6209&item=2447272435

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Your Vehicle's Description:
VIN: 1B3BR65E7RV100247
Year: 1994
Make: Dodge
Model: Viper Roadster
Style/Body: 2 Door
Engine: 8.0L V10 MPI
Country of Assembly: United States

Key: = No Problem Found = Problem Found = Information Found


Title Problem Found! AutoCheck’s database for this 1994 Dodge Viper Roadster(1B3BR65E7RV100247) found historical events that might indicate a significant automotive problem. These problems can indicate past automotive damage or warnings associated with the vehicle title.
Problems Checked: Results Found
Abandoned No Abandoned Record Found
Damaged No Damaged Record Found
Fire Damage No Fire Damage Record Found
Grey Market No Grey Market Record Found
Hail Damage No Hail Damage Record Found
Insurance Loss No Insurance Loss Record Found
Junk No Junk Record Found
Rebuilt/Rebuildable No Rebuilt/Rebuildable Record Found
Salvage Salvage Record(s) Found


Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck’s database for this 1994 Dodge Viper Roadster(1B3BR65E7RV100247) shows no historical events that indicate a significant automotive problem. These problems can indicate previous car damage, theft, or other significant problem.
Problems Checked: Results Found
NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle No NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle Record Found
Fire Damage Incident No Fire Damage Incident Record Found
Frame Damage No Frame Damage Record Found
Major Damage Incident No Major Damage Incident Record Found
Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Record Found
Odometer Problem No Odometer Problem Record Found
Salvage Auction No Salvage Auction Record Found
Water Damage No Water Damage Record Found


Your Vehicle Checks Out! For this 1994 Dodge Viper Roadster(1B3BR65E7RV100247)no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. We determine odometer rollbacks by searching for records that indicate odometer reading that are less than a previously reported value. Other odometer events can report events of tampering, or possible odometer breakage.
Report Run Date: 12/07/2003
Date Reported Odometer Reading
01/24/96 6,886
08/30/96 6,882
12/19/96 7,456
11/26/97 14,174
01/22/98 14,890
02/17/99 92,532


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Accident Data No accident data available
Corrected Title No Corrected Title Record Found
Driver Education No Driver Education Record Found
Duplicate Title No Duplicate Title Record Found
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Lease No Lease Record Found
Lien No Lien Record Found
Livery Use No Livery Use Record Found
Government Use No Government Use Record Found
Police Use No Police Use Record Found
Rental/Fleet No Rental/Fleet Record Found
Repossessed No Repossessed Record Found
Taxi Use No Taxi Use Record Found
Theft No Theft Record Found


Below are the historical events for this vehicle listed in chronological order. Any discrepancies will be in bold text.
Report Run Date: 12/07/2003
VIN 1B3BR65E7RV100247 1994 Dodge Viper Roadster
Event Date Event Location Odometer Reading Data Source Event Detail
01/24/96 CLARK, NJ 6,886 MOTOR VEHICLE DEPT. SALVAGE
TITLE
08/21/96 DUNCANVILLE, TX MOTOR VEHICLE DEPT. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/30/96 DALLAS, TX 6,882 MOTOR VEHICLE DEPT. TITLE (Title #: 05733335296152727)
12/19/96 DUNCANVILLE, TX 7,456 MOTOR VEHICLE DEPT. TITLE (Title #: 05754735409150629)
10/15/97 DALLAS, TX MOTOR VEHICLE DEPT. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/26/97 DALLAS, TX 14,174 INDEPENDENT EMISSION SOURCE PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
01/22/98 DALLAS, TX 14,890 MOTOR VEHICLE DEPT. TITLE (Title #: 05721135806080630)
08/11/98 DALLAS, TX MOTOR VEHICLE DEPT. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
02/17/99 DALLAS, TX 92,532 INDEPENDENT EMISSION SOURCE


Sorry I can't post it as it appears on the report. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. Anyhow, *** WF!!!! I mean seriously, I now know why this thing hasn't sold yet. And this guy expects to get more then 20g for this? I would only consider it if it were fixed PROFESSIONALLY!!! Let's say it were fixed professionally, how much as an offer? It has closer to 100k, not 42 as advertised. I am really cautious, really very very really cautious now. (But once again, fi ti checks out, doesn't need to be perfect.)

 

[wcollera]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

Where is Sneaky Pete on the Front of the car....no emblem up there?

 

[FranciscoR.]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

Uhm...that make a difference?.........lol

But in all seriousness....How would I go about checking this car out? I already emailed seller about condition and price and stuff. Where do I go from there?

 

[C O D Y]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

White was not an option in 94.

Why the total repaint?

 

[Brad04Mamba]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

It states ABS and power windows as an option, both not available for 1994. I wouldn't even bother with this one, somethings not right.

 

[Birvini]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

Jeez, this seller is a FRAUD!! I would not give him/her a dime!

 

[joe117]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

And not only has it got a salvage title and high miles and a crook seller but you will never get it for the kind of money you are talking about.

If it look's nice and runs ok, someone will pay about $25k for it.

I've never seen any good looking, good running Viper sell for $20k, salvage title or not.

 

[RedEnuf93]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

I would be conserned of the improper color for the year and salvage title. Mainly how badly it was damaged, who fixed it and how....
It's not a problem with a GOOD bodyguy, but in improper hands you will end up loosing big time. This car may be difficult to sell in future too.
I lived in Dallas area and do not remember seeing this car, maybe it was painted later? Texas guys, any one who remembers this one?

I would take this car to Huffines Dodge in Lewisville for a complete check BEFORE bidding a dime on it! They have one of the best technicians in TX.
I dont think they will sell it for 25, just my opinion. Maybe 30-32? Its a dealer, they dont care.

 

[RedEnuf93]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

Ps. Looks the surrounding areas where the pictures were taken.

Does that make you feel better to buy from this dealer or worse...

 

[99 R/T 10]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

If high mileage doesn't bother you(it doesn't bother me ) then look at this one. For a Viper (depending on the year) anything over 50K miles is high mileage, but on any normal car this would be considered low for a 10 year old car(this 94). Plus this GTS is has a clear title.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2445428083&category=6209&rd=1

 

[wcollera]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

man that red gts would make an awsome track car for the bang for the buck!

 

[FranciscoR.]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

Saw that one....If it had financing, I would probably get it... But honestly, unless the Viper i want has some sort of financing ( Thourgh dealor or private party ) I don't think I can get one anytime soon. Do many people finance their Vipers? Is this a bad thing?


p.s. - I have completely disregarded this one car. From the color to the CarFax report, I am freaked out. It's better to back off, pay 10g more, and get a at the very least way more dependable car.

p.s.s. Joe -

 

[GraphiteGTS]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

I try not to finance autos because of depreciation. I do finance appreciating item, as real estate.
Rick

 

[FranciscoR.]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

Yeah that's the problem sometimes. But one can hope. WOuld it be wrong to just ask the seller?

 

[ViperJoe]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

Why would you even consider a bastage like that?

Definately NOT one I would even remotely consider, let alone look at, but, to each his own.
Good luck!

 

[Steve Miehe]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

Frank:

Glad you decided to stay away from that white RT. As Cody asked, "Why the repaint?" IMHO, somebody "scotch-taped" that puppy back together and didn't even flip for a replacement front emblem, then used a color not even available in '94.

Have been reading many of your posts over the past several months and know you want a viper bad; reading about your first ride was a real enthusiastic event! Went through the stage you are in at present and after about a year of looking and thinking the matter through, decided that buying a pre-owned viper was too risky - but that's me. You really do get what you pay for these days. Please be extra careful while searching.

 

[Lee00blacksilverGTS]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

A couple points.
You're looking for a very inexpensive Viper. Therefore if you do some deep investigation and use the resources of the board you might be able to score on somebody elses mistake. On the surface this looks real bad, but here is where I would start with this one and look a little more deeply.

The mileage, it just doesn't make sense, it jumped from 14,980 on 1/22/98 to 92,532 on 2/17/99 ALL those miles were put on in 13 months?? Then I notice who recorded the 92,532 mileage "An independent emission source" The prior mileage of 14,980 was a Texas Title issue. I think that POSSIBLY the dweeb emissions guy stuck his head in the window and read the mileage wrong.

Salvage title, probably goes without saying the car was in some sort of significant incident/accident..our biggest clue is that the car is a total repaint. White was not offered that year. Having said that, I happen to know a significant number of Viper owners who have gotten killer deals on their cars because they did the research and founf out the car had been rebuilt properly.

I would get the seller on the phone and ask him about the history of the car...nicely....I would tell him about the mileage and the salvage title...nicely...I bet he doesn't even know about the mileage and he may be able to correct that if it was a mistake by the emissions place. Your next step will depend on whether you got decent info. from the phone call. If the guy sounds decent and can fill you in at all on the history of the car..best thing he could do would be give you previous owner contact info. Then your next step is to have someone on the board look at the car...lot's of knowledgeable guys in Texas...If your board contact says it looks good and drives good have it inspected by the Viper tech mentioned.
Now after all that, DON'T try and buy the car on EBay, I doubt it will sell, some chump will bid high and then get scared away. Make contact after only the auction and see if the high bidder did bail or if it did not make reserve. And then open a conversation with the guy.
You may be able to document this car had a light accident...remember Vipers have a HIGH repair cost and this is a 94 so if the repair was over $20-$25k it might have been totaled, and the hood alone could have been close to half of that.
Bottom line...If you can document what happened with the damage, if the mileage is a mistake, and a Viper tech says the car is basically sound you MIGHT be able to steal it, and everybody else will run the carfax type stuff too and back off so the seller may basically give it away eventually.
Remember you're putting your mental sweat equity in it beacause you're on a budget, so do your homework, work the sellers after the auctions fold and NEVER fall in love with any ONE car, always be prepared to walk and you CAN find a bargain somewhere.
Final point...whoever painted this car did not do it cheap, it would have been much cheaper to put it back original color and NOT add stripes (by the way tape or paint?) So my guess is whoever did the repair/repaint was an OWNER of the car who cared, not some callous dealer/flipper. And that bodes well for the quality of the rebuild.
I'm looking for a track car, I would consider either of these and will probably pursue them if you're not interested, heck I'll help you make the phone calls to the guy if you want, I make my living on the phone anyway. Rest assured I would not try to get ahead of you on either deal though, I'm only looking casually and you need a Viper more than me! PM me if you want some more advice about dealing on the phone with the guy if you decide to go forward at all.
Final, final point..anytime you buy a car with a salvage title cheap, expect to SELL it cheap too AND be prepared also for the kind of abuse Bonkers gets by having shared his cars history here.

 

[Lee00blacksilverGTS]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

Franciso...the red one did not sell, it would appear the seller is a dealer, contact him and see if you can buy it off auction now and if he will finance. Alternatively looking at the high bidders feedback on the red one it would appear he's a dealer so if he has checked it out it might indicate it's ok AND he has good feedback while the original seller has none. You might email the high bidding dealer and make an offer to him if he will finance, and obtain the car for you.

 

[NVViperTech]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

I checked through the Dodge dealer computer system and that Viper had a complete warranty restriction placed on it. Just wanted to add my info.

 

[FranciscoR.]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

As in no way to get a warranty on the Blue - White Gen1 ?

 

[NVViperTech]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

That Viper shows up as originally being red from the factory. No factory warranty whatsoever. Aftermarket warranty contracts-I don't know...

 

[Lee00blacksilverGTS]

Re: Avail-Viper....WHAT THE HE-LL!!!

Francisco, we KNOW it was red right? And of course the factory warranty has expired. And it may be too late, barely, for this year to qualify for an extended warranty. But call Bill Pemberton ot Chuck Tator first before you give up on the idea of an extended warranty. This is just like all the other aspects we talked about, by taking the extra step and effort AND using the contacts of some of the loyal dealers who support us here you may pull off the seemingly impossibe. I'm impressed with how far you've come already in investigating these deals. And it's just like the mileage thing, don't worry YET about what the dealer computer says. It may say that because of what you've already learned about the history of the car.