Car and Driver: Gen V Viper beats ZR1
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JAY
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I knew it was just a matter of time.....lol !!! 
SSGViper
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Great straight line performance.
VENOM V
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Well said. Perspective!
01sapphirebob
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Great news!! Thanks for posting something positive Jack!!!
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v10enomous
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Best of the best... Legendary iconic American exotic supercar reincarnated and the best Viper ever . Massive V10 engine drop dead gorgeous, limited production, hand built, world class state of the art performance and technology and the best is yet to come when the ACR version hits the scene. Be the first on your block to have one becuase everything else will be invisible when you pull up. Wish I could get one...
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ferraritoviper
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Finally, an upbeat thread!! Sign of things to come. The recent Gen V forum reminds me of my days in a Moscow sauna...just beating our skins red with willow branches. Tomorrow is another day, full of possibilities...as this thread shows, sans trolls of course 
VENOM V
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Very well stated, brother! And as much as I would like to see the Viper crush the ZR1, I am grateful that two of the highest performance in the world are American. In an age where almost everything is now made in China, the Americans are challenging for supremacy at racetracks all over the world. It's an exciting era to be a part of.
Torquemonster
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LOL, a far better thread than some ended up here, and highlights the figures that used to matter when bench-marking street cars. Right on.
v10enomous
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The Gen V beats the ZR1 in acceleration and it can be had for $10k less with a far superior interior and unique and distinct styling
All these cars are fast so who wants to be the guy that shows up in another Corvette, Mustang or Porsche The only other car in this price range that compares in style and exclusivity is perhaps the Lotus Evora S or the Fisker Karma if you want something rare and unique but really who would pick either of those over a Viper I suppose you could get somebody else's Gallardo or older F car and there's nothing wrong with that but you see a bunch of those now too and the upkeep takes away from the experience. GenV all the waySnakeBitten
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Didn't the article have an asterisk next to both top speeds saying "manufacturers claim"? I'm thinking they didn't run them to top speed in either test? However, its not bad though since the Viper is all motor and 1 mph faster than an FI'd car. The car does have lots of positives and after Ralphs tweet a potential for a lot more of those positives. No one can deny that.
don't spoil the fun by actually reading the article. All this is silly. We love the viper, enough said. This is the Viper Club forum after all.
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Hugs all around. I have said some things being critical of the apparent unfinished, pre-production, wrong tire and seat having car. Basically, it's like having an enormous handicap and still almost winning. The best is yet to come. They will fix the brakes. They will fix the tires. They will fix the seats. I'm still getting one and am going to paint the damn cross hair grill the same color as the car. Not sure what to do with those headlights though.
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The car (viper) did run 206 mph. We were shown it at VOI. Incredible video!
Yeah I know it did officially. I was just stating that neither mag actually tested top speed on either car.
I wouldn't be surprised to see both cars surpass their respective mfg claims if the mags actually tested them for it. I remember the GTS hitting 192mph in an MT test which was 7 mph faster than Dodges claimed top speed. Different days and conditions could result in a faster top speed than the 206 in that official video.
I wonder how much the aero kit will affect the top speed? It certainly has to be less since the 206mph is drag limited. Can't wait for the true production car numbers.
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The car (viper) did run 206 mph. We were shown it at VOI. Incredible video!
I remember that vividly
Allan
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No, he means ACR.ACR?? No No. You must mean convertible.
Allan
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Interesting,.....that the 0-60 time is quicker without the 'launch control'. 
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It is the thread that has the title that contains "ZR1 beats the viper again"
Hoosier Daddy
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Plenty of nut swinging wind breaker whanna bees in this thread all bucking for a VCA position!!!! I almost feel the love, did everyone receive a participation trophy.
PatentLaw
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I anticipate that your post will be eliminated, for failure to follow posting rule #5 by the moderators. One of mine recently was, for the first time in years. After all, you are just an Enthusiast even though you have been around of a decade!
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The Gen. V Viper should have been :
Engine and Drivetrain :
522 ci V10
Forged Rotating Assembly
Aggressive Cam intake and exhaust.
Flywheel - heavy for TQ down low.
Jesel Rocker system.
Titanium Sodium Filled Valves.
Compression 11.5.1 ( Still be tuned for pump gas)
ECU - programmable
Intake composite
No hydraulic motor mounts.
Larger TB's mechanical.
3.42 gear , better gear ratios throughout the TQ range.
Close Ratio 6spd
This thing should be loafing at 720HP 690TQ
Chassis :
Hydro Formed Alum. w/Magnesium Cradles
Chromoly structure support and reinforcement in doors.
Body :
Carbon Fiber. Light weight composites.
Interior :
Race seats or Gen IV ACR seats.
Minimal insulation and sound proofing.
Gauges - Mechanical
TC - my right foot.
Launch Mode - My right and left foot.
Wheels Tires and Brakes :
CF Brakes front and bake - same as the ZR1
If they wouldn't fit the increase the damn wheel diameter to make them fit.
PSC's front and back.
Light weight Rims. HRE etc.
Weight should be in around 2990LBS.
Or you can offer two Versions :
ACR version - super light w/nasty compression at 522ci and set up above.
Viper version with 9.5.1 compression running a Roots type SC.
Pretty simple.
We hear " well, Ferrari this and Ferrari that and Ralph this / that."
If it was gonna be this bad I wish they would've stopped at the Gen IV and stayed gone till they really had their $hit together. ICON = TARNISHED!
But I'm anxious to see what they can pull out!
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Engine and Drivetrain :
522 ci V10
Forged Rotating Assembly
Aggressive Cam intake and exhaust.
Flywheel - heavy for TQ down low.
Jesel Rocker system.
Titanium Sodium Filled Valves.
Compression 11.5.1 ( Still be tuned for pump gas)
ECU - programmable
Intake composite
No hydraulic motor mounts.
Larger TB's mechanical.
3.42 gear , better gear ratios throughout the TQ range.
Close Ratio 6spd
This thing should be loafing at 720HP 690TQ
Chassis :
Hydro Formed Alum. w/Magnesium Cradles
Chromoly structure support and reinforcement in doors.
Body :
Carbon Fiber. Light weight composites.
Interior :
Race seats or Gen IV ACR seats.
Minimal insulation and sound proofing.
Gauges - Mechanical
TC - my right foot.
Launch Mode - My right and left foot.
Wheels Tires and Brakes :
CF Brakes front and bake - same as the ZR1
If they wouldn't fit the increase the damn wheel diameter to make them fit.
PSC's front and back.
Light weight Rims. HRE etc.
Weight should be in around 2990LBS.
Or you can offer two Versions :
ACR version - super light w/nasty compression at 522ci and set up above.
Viper version with 9.5.1 compression running a Roots type SC.
Pretty simple.
We hear " well, Ferrari this and Ferrari that and Ralph this / that."
If it was gonna be this bad I wish they would've stopped at the Gen IV and stayed gone till they really had their $hit together. ICON = TARNISHED!
But I'm anxious to see what they can pull out!
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elanderholm
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how is the icon tarnished when the 08 viper (non acr) wasn't the fastest car in the world on a drag strip or on a road course? It took the acr to be the fastest on a road course and neither was ever a drag car winner. The Gen 5 is a faster car then a standard Gen 4 in every respect, lighter and with a much better interior, and (imo) better looking. You guys are not dealing with reality.
The Gen IV was no kind of world beating car. At the price point it was a very fast car, in a straight line with the ACR being a very fast track car. The new Gen V is faster in every way and the base price really isn't that much more. The high optioned cars have nothing to do with going faster except the aero package which makes it much faster then a standard Gen IV on track. I'm not following this line of thinking at all.
You are making the previous vipers into something that they never were. In stock form the Gen V is a much better track car then any previous stock viper, save the Gen IV ACR. The gen V ACR will be the world ****** (on a race track with corners not a drag strip) just like the last iteration. But, even it will probably not be able to hang with the F70/150 and P12's of the world.
The world is a much different place then even when the 08 ACR came out. Time to deal with with the facts. The base viper with the aero package is going to be the best bang for the buck and cost nothing near 140k. It's going to school all but the Gen IV ACR and even that will be close, while offering a lot nicer place to be while going that fast.
The Gen IV was no kind of world beating car. At the price point it was a very fast car, in a straight line with the ACR being a very fast track car. The new Gen V is faster in every way and the base price really isn't that much more. The high optioned cars have nothing to do with going faster except the aero package which makes it much faster then a standard Gen IV on track. I'm not following this line of thinking at all.
You are making the previous vipers into something that they never were. In stock form the Gen V is a much better track car then any previous stock viper, save the Gen IV ACR. The gen V ACR will be the world ****** (on a race track with corners not a drag strip) just like the last iteration. But, even it will probably not be able to hang with the F70/150 and P12's of the world.
The world is a much different place then even when the 08 ACR came out. Time to deal with with the facts. The base viper with the aero package is going to be the best bang for the buck and cost nothing near 140k. It's going to school all but the Gen IV ACR and even that will be close, while offering a lot nicer place to be while going that fast.
elanderholm
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I get it you guys complaining all want a speed 12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVR_Cerbera_Speed_12
Of course that car was never made for a lot of reasons. There is no money in a car like that, even if a few of us would love a car like that. Also, it was going to cost 250k pounds so it's 3X the cost of the viper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVR_Cerbera_Speed_12
Of course that car was never made for a lot of reasons. There is no money in a car like that, even if a few of us would love a car like that. Also, it was going to cost 250k pounds so it's 3X the cost of the viper.
sonofadragracer
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I mentioned the word "Tarnished" in the sense that 50+ speakers, electronic lights and whistle's, hydraulic motor mounts, steel frame, plush interior etc. IMO the rawness of the Viper was form and function.
Big ci V-10. Power to weight etc. Which previous Vipers were. A rawness so to speak. I mentioned the Gen. IV ACR because I loved mine and didn't have a problem w/the interior at all. I don't need tons of launch modes and TC.
My TC is my right foot.
I'm not a Road Racer, but I've been around the Drag Strip a little bit.
I mentioned the List in the areas of what I thought the Gen. V Viper should be. Of course times are different than when the Gen. IV came out. However, they had plenty of time to really put out a runner.
Something along the lines of what I listed would make the Gen. V something a lot of us were expecting. The main problem I see w/this car is the focus was in the wrong area ref. improvement.
Plus, it's just to heavy.
Aside from that, the car looks great.
Big ci V-10. Power to weight etc. Which previous Vipers were. A rawness so to speak. I mentioned the Gen. IV ACR because I loved mine and didn't have a problem w/the interior at all. I don't need tons of launch modes and TC.
My TC is my right foot.
I'm not a Road Racer, but I've been around the Drag Strip a little bit.
I mentioned the List in the areas of what I thought the Gen. V Viper should be. Of course times are different than when the Gen. IV came out. However, they had plenty of time to really put out a runner.
Something along the lines of what I listed would make the Gen. V something a lot of us were expecting. The main problem I see w/this car is the focus was in the wrong area ref. improvement.
Plus, it's just to heavy.
Aside from that, the car looks great.
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