Did I expect too much from my Viper and/or me?????????

[Don Hiltz]

Those of you who know me know that I have a '94 RT/10 with no internal mods. Moreover, my driving skills are undoubtedly marginal at best. Yesterday, I pulled up next to a late model Mustang. I looked over and noticed the guages on the driver's post, which told me he probably had a blower.

The light turned green and I engaged first gear. Then I launched my snake full tilt. My shift to second was beautiful, even if I do say so myself. The rear tires chirped as I released the clutch and applied full power. The Mustang was hanging in until I missed the shift to third and it was all over.

At the next light, I asked him if he had a supercharger and he nodded in the affirmative. When the light turned green, the same scenario unfolded. Only this time, he was gradually passing me in second. Since the next light was fast approaching, I elected to terminate my efforts.

I explained to my son, who was with me, that the Mustang probably had other additional internal modifications. Quick thinking on my part!!!!

Now, my questions: Should an essentially stock 94 Viper be expected to perform better against a late model blown Mustang? If the endeavor continued, would I have passed him at higher speeds?

Don

 

[JUCD VPR]

LOL Sorry but i have both a 91 Mustang GT and a 99 RT/10. So i'm not being biased but a Stang with a blower and i guarantee he had full exhaust probably a bigger throttle body, intake,gears etc etc. The stang would have won either way, Superchargers just keep pullin, sad to say but IMO he would have kept pullin on ya. My built 91 Mustang GT can smoke check the livin crap out of my 99' RT/10. But after some mods and a Roe Supercharger for the Rt/10 it may just prove to be a different story. That Stang probably ran close to high 11's. I suggest you get a Roe SC and then beat his brains in LOL

 

[got one]

At the top end, you would have had them...here is my response to them...want to race to that light..120-140pmh, I say no. But, i'll race you to houston doing 190...they quickly back down. Trust me, you don't want to be in a mustang (having 2x67's and a 98) over 140-145...it is pretty scary.

 

[99 R/T 10]

LOL Sorry but i have both a 91 Mustang GT and a 99 RT/10. So i'm not being biased but a Stang with a blower and i guarantee he had full exhaust probably a bigger throttle body, intake,gears etc etc. The stang would have won either way, Superchargers just keep pullin, sad to say but IMO he would have kept pullin on ya. My built 91 Mustang GT can smoke check the livin crap out of my 99' RT/10. But after some mods and a Roe Supercharger for the Rt/10 it may just prove to be a different story. That Stang probably ran close to high 11's. I suggest you get a Roe SC and then beat his brains in LOL

Just curious as to what your mustang runs? There have been many 1/4 mile runs with stock Vipers in the very high 11's to low 12's. My stock 96 RT/10 ran a 12.5 at 112 bone stock. Most modified Mustangs with the regular uprgrades(exhaust, chip, smaller pulley) usually run about the same(11.8-12.4), don't they?

 

[charlesj]

dam those superchargers...

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

I've raced several blower Mustangs in my bone 98 RT/10 and won most (not all) of them. If a blower is all it has then I'd put my money on the Viper. However, the next time they show up they'll have another bolt-on or power adder.

My best guess is it takes more than a blower to move that small-engined, heavy Mustang past the big V10.

 

[ROCKET62]

Curious - stock shifter - the reason for the missed shift? Changed mine about a year ago and couldn't be happier with the nice crisp shifts and no more guessing where 3rd gear is. Good effort though.

 

[Marc Lublin]

Don,
Two comments. One, you never know what someone else has no matter what car. Two, let's not have any more racing with kids in the car. Maybe I'm just getting older and hopefully wiser, but even though I know I'm the best driver on the road, racing with the kids is a no no.

 

[Russ M]

Don,

Your question is imposible to answer a blow mustang could be a 13 second car, or a 9 second car. We would need much more detail about the car to even begin to guess.

Bottom line is you can make a Yugo faster than a viper, just depends on how much money you want to spend on it.

Marc,

Yes you are getting too old, I am sure when you were young someone took you for a spin in a fast car and you loved every second of it. And I am sure you yourself have done crazy things on the street perhaps when you were younger.

 

[Qualitywires.com]

Knowing Don in from the past, I am sure his kid was safe and sound.

 

[dansauto]

run him from a 50-150 MPH roll on andy you will stomp him. The mustang has the advantage from a dead stop with solid rear and lower gears.

 

[TOOOFST]

I'm not gonna win friends on this one but I think your a cool dad to run the mustang with your kid.
Fact is most kids are gonna street race without your permission or knowledge.
All went well,and therefore showed him safe speeds and circumstances,within your control.

 

[plumcrazy]

yup, race with the kid but be a little more careful.

stangs can and usually are modded to the hilt. be carefull against them. it doesnt take much for one of them to be faster than our cars from a dig..now from 50 - 150 or so is another story.

 

[JUCD VPR]

Just curious as to what your mustang runs? There have been many 1/4 mile runs with stock Vipers in the very high 11's to low 12's. My stock 96 RT/10 ran a 12.5 at 112 bone stock. Most modified Mustangs with the regular uprgrades(exhaust, chip, smaller pulley) usually run about the same(11.8-12.4), don't they?

99 R/T 10,
LOL My mustang is freggin beefy, the BUILT 302 I had in 2002 turned a 11.4@119mph. Then I Bored a 302 30 over to a 306 put an X-cam in with victor Jr heads,headman headers,pace steer off-road h-pipe, flowmaster 2-chamber american thunder system exhaust,trick flow intake, 75 mm throttle body,75mm mass air,harlem sharp roller rockers, 4.10 gears, 3500 hole shot stall converter, stage 3 shift kit,anderson powerpipe,msd 6AL box,pulleys,and a few more bolt ons along with a built bottom end. and the icing on the cake was a Duel nozzel NX Gemini nitrous system adjustable from 100-300hp, with the 150 shot pills I ran a 10.36@138mph pullin the wheels about 1/2 a foot of the ground with slicks at the track. MOST mustangs with exhaust,chip,and pulley will only run around low 13's .

As far as racing a BLOWN Stang 50-150mph that has full exhaust and a few more bolt-ons, their isnt a stock viper I know of that can keep up. NOW over 150mph thats a different story. I have quite a few friends with Fox body Stangs that have t- trim superchargers that would smoke stock vipers. They keep pullin hard up to about 150mph but past that the viper will catch up.

 

[charlesj]

hmmm, racing w/ kid in car,... is like giving kid pack of cigarettes to smoke & teaching them smoking is bad? or - does it send message that street racing is cool & kid should do same when they get their 1st sports car.

guess depends on how old kid is. on the fence on that one.

 

[Russ M]

Racing is cool.

There are far worse things kids could be doing than street racing. Just because a bunch of old farts decided at some point that what they did is no longer safe.

 

[TOOOFST]

hmmm, racing w/ kid in car,... is like giving kid pack of cigarettes to smoke & teaching them smoking is bad? or - does it send message that street racing is cool & kid should do same when they get their 1st sports car.

Chuckie,
Did you realize every kid gets a license(pack of smokes)at 16.

 

[TOOOFST]

Racing is cool.

There are far worse things kids could be doing than street racing. Just because a bunch of old farts decided at some point that what they did is no longer safe.

I'm with stuipid

 

[Big Medicine]

Teaching kids to street race?

I think we're kidding ourselves.

Where do you think fathers & uncles learned to street race? What about grandfathers? We can only go back so far. At somepoint, there were no stangs or streets.

I think they'll figure it our for themselves. At least someone can set an example of knowing when to shut it off and when full tilt boogie MAY be appropriate.

I don't want to offend anyone who has lost a loved one in a car accident. That's a horrible thing no matter how you slice it, & I'm certain that it has a special sting if it involved some young kids driving 140 mph down a two lane 45 mph zoned residential. But I don't think that is what we are talking about here. I think circumstances are different depending on many variables, including vehicle condition, driving capabilities, weather, type of road, remoteness of the location, and on & on.

We don't know any of that here.

$0.02

 

[dansauto]

I dont think there are too many blown stangs over 500 Hp. Thats what it will take to beat a GEN1 from 50-150. I am sure there are some, but its not the norm. Gen1 vipers are not the best handling over 150 MPH.

 

[GimmeTheSpeed]

there goes another "Viper killer" classifieds add when this guy goes to sell his Stang... sorry to hear the news... no excuses, but the guy probably had every penny he had invested into that stang Get'em next time man.

 

[ledfoot]

Never, And I mean never,street race with a kid in the car .....if you're gunna lose.......

 

[YELL03]

I have a 2001 Viper GTS stock save for filters, smooth tubes, and Kumhos.

It runs 11.6@120, enough to take alot of blown Stangs, but not all.

For instance, my 92 Stang has a 347 stroker motor and a blower, it looks like a stock Stang with Weld wheels, but...

Last time it was at the track it ran a [email protected] on a soft 1.8 60' launch with radials, 1st pass on a harder launch it cut a 1.66 60'. Unfortunately it blew a headgasket after the 2nd pass. If I ran a 3rd time and came out harder and ran smooth, I would have run 10.9s on drag radials.

I would say with the Viper you are better off running from a roll, my Viper can usually hang with high 10 low 11 second Stangs better from a 30-40mph roll.

I was with my 10 year old son and a pullied and modded 03 Cobra (he runs 11.7s) challenged me from a 30-40mph roll, my son said if you lose we are trading the Viper in.

Needless to say at that point I had only run a best of [email protected], but had just put my Kumhios on, I made short work of the Cobra who was frantically searching for traction.

Good luck next time,

Howard

 

[Marc Lublin]

I know my son will probably race when he gets older. I'm a speed freak and he seems to have it in his blood. Hopefully he will be good and stay safe. Admit it, although you may be good or think you are, the level of danger goes up exponentially when you take a 450 hp or in my case 1000 hp car and start flying through the streets. It only takes a few seconds to be in the triple digits. I'm sorry, I just can't put my son in harms way like that. Besides the fact that if anything terrible ever happened you will probably be going to jail for a while.

 

[charlesj]

me very careful with her and would never step on it w/ child in car. kids are way too impressionable. yes, they may find cigarettes, ***, acid, sex, hash, shrooms, coke, sniffing glue, street racing, etc. on their own, but to find it from daddy whom they love & adore & look up to...

 

[JUCD VPR]

ledfoot,
Never, And I mean never,street race with a kid in the car .....if you're gunna lose.......
LOL thats awesome LOL "if your gonna lose LOL
Sorry street racin will find the kids no matter if you show them or they find it on their own IMO.

 

[got one]

Better to learn how to handle my car from my father than learn on my own (given your dad knows what he is doing)

 

[GTS Bruce]

Only jackasses,wimps,perverts,child molesters,rapistis use street and racing in any post.Racing takes place on race tracks be they 1/8,1/4,oval,auto-X or road under a legitimate sanctioning body.Street (racing) so called is for ****** and perverts.It gets people killed or shows bad example.Do I drive quick and fast on public roads?Yes!Other competent drivers joining in?Yes!Is it racing ? No! Of course not.Racing takes place at tracks GTS Bruce

 

[IEATVETS]

Bruce, it may not be so called street racing when you are driving quick and fast on public roads while other competent drivers are joining in but it is just as dangerous. It may not be considered racing in your eyes or mine for that matter but dangerous nonetheless.

 

[buttermaker]

ledfoot,
Never, And I mean never,street race with a kid in the car .....if you're gunna lose.......
LOL thats awesome LOL "if your gonna lose LOL
Sorry street racin will find the kids no matter if you show them or they find it on their own IMO.

what he said