FASTER THAN A VIPER

[joe117]

"COPO Camaros. They were gurateed to run mid 11s."

Are you sure about that or is it another myth?
How was that worded in the warranty?
If the car started running low 12s could you take it back for service?

Can you back up this story?

I never heard of any performance car being guaranteed to do anything.

 

[Big Medicine]

Joe,

Always poignant & punctilious.

 

[CHAD]

Think of it this way, the Z06 is claimed to be the quickest Vette EVER and the ZR-1 the fastest, BY THE FACTORY. Maybe a couple ZL-1 blah blah blah's escaped with unreal power but the quickest production Vette EVER is a mid to low 12 second car.

Sure it's due to tires and technology and they were cheaper. That is not the point. And any mathmetician/CPA want to figure out with inflation what $4k in 1967 is worth in present dollars, given inflation and cost of living? I'm guessing it's close to the cost of a new Z06 today.

The good 'ole days are sometimes overhyped I believe.

Chad

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

A 1970 Chevelle LS6 will edge out a Viper...or a 1967-1969 L88 Vette .... or a COPO 427 Camaro ...

Holy $hit you GM guys are dillusional


http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

One more that I forgot .... Motion Performance Camaro was sold through Chevy dealers with a nirmal warranty. The later ones from 69 were only COPO Camaros. They were gurateed to run mid 11s.

You're still high. I have yet to see any STOCK Hemi cars, STOCK LS6's run a 12.0 if they are TRULY stock. With the GROSS H.P. ratings and inneficient drivelines they produced power even less than a GEN1 RT to the WHEELS. Did you happen to catch the dyno truth or dare episode on speed TV where a guy with a Hemi Cuda put a whopping 315 to the wheels? Talk about pathetic!

The cars were fast then but would get bitchslapped by a lowly STi today.

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

Also lets see any older car go around a corner.

 

[pdmracing]

The stock mercedes s 600 sedan turned a 12.2 in a recent test!

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

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More than $100K PAL!

 

[Bill B]

Oh no Craig played the rice card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DR VIPER]

I would say concensus is that Viper Rules!

 

[gthomas]

Think of it this way, the Z06 is claimed to be the quickest Vette EVER and the ZR-1 the fastest, BY THE FACTORY. Maybe a couple ZL-1 blah blah blah's escaped with unreal power but the quickest production Vette EVER is a mid to low 12 second car.

Sure it's due to tires and technology and they were cheaper. That is not the point. And any mathmetician/CPA want to figure out with inflation what $4k in 1967 is worth in present dollars, given inflation and cost of living? I'm guessing it's close to the cost of a new Z06 today.

The good 'ole days are sometimes overhyped I believe.

Chad

Modern Musclecar(?) in the mid-90's(96) ran a comparison between a new SS, a gen 2 SS 350, and a gen 2 RS SS(?) 396. The modern SS smoked them all. I remember they were all stock and believe to include the tires, in which radials would not have even brought it close.
The modern cars have all the technological advancements that allow them to do more with less.

 

[CHAD]

Sorry for hijacking but g, you were banned from the Alley? What could you have possibly done to get kicked outa there?

Chad

 

[STUGOTS]

hahahah nice pic Craig (it fits here)

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

Sorry for hijacking but g, you were banned from the Alley? What could you have possibly done to get kicked outa there?

Chad

Death threats upon members, thier families and unborn children. Gthomas is a whacko.

 

[LIRacer]

Joe,

Motion Performace guaranteed their COPO would turn mid 11s. You really get very upset about things don't you?

 

[LIRacer]

Oh ...and one other thing, a 1969 L-88 cost around $4000. That would be equal to about $24,000 today, still considerably under the $80k a Viper costs. Muscle cars were no myth. The really fast ones still rule today. Too bad they couldn't turn for $hit.

 

[gthomas]

Sorry for hijacking but g, you were banned from the Alley? What could you have possibly done to get kicked outa there?

Chad

Death threats upon members, thier families and unborn children. Gthomas is a whacko.

Wow craigie-pooh, you are still lieing.

 

[gthomas]

Sorry for hijacking but g, you were banned from the Alley? What could you have possibly done to get kicked outa there?

Chad

When several members began smacking, I rescinded, knowing I am not that good of a bully, but I stood up for myself.
When they tell me to get a gun, put it to my head, and pull the trigger, it is smack. For me to rescind, it is a threat.
You get the point?

 

[joe117]

"Motion Performace guaranteed their COPO would turn mid 11s."

What do you mean guarantee? Do you mean that they said it would turn mid 11s or that the buyer would get it to do that?
Can you back that up with anything other than your memory.

"You really get very upset about things don't you?"

No, I don't get upset, I'm just an old crank. Everyone know's that. Where have you been?

 

[STUGOTS]

Craig this is a really cool link

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml

 

[joe117]

The fastest car on their list,
"1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65"

That sound's about right dosen't it? That's about gen1 Viper power and gen1 Viper performance isn't it?

And keep in mind that the 3.54 rear end in the Cobra above will limit the top speed to about 140mph or so. No 5th or 6th gear overdrive, just 1:1 in 4th.

That doesn't sound too impressive does it?

Are we going to upgrade to modern tires and a modern transmission too?

Why do some people think all these 60s cars were so much faster than all the tests in the magazines said they were?

"Muscle cars were no myth. The really fast ones still rule today."

And the one's that rule today are....?

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

The fastest car on their list,
"1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65"

That sound's about right dosen't it? That's about gen1 Viper power and gen1 Viper performance isn't it?

And keep in mind that the 3.54 rear end in the Cobra above will limit the top speed to about 140mph or so. No 5th or 6th gear overdrive, just 1:1 in 4th.

That doesn't sound too impressive does it?

Are we going to upgrade to modern tires and a modern transmission too?

Why do some people think all these 60s cars were so much faster than all the tests in the magazines said they were?

"Muscle cars were no myth. The really fast ones still rule today."

And the one's that rule today are....?

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[Snakester]

In 1969, $4000 was between 1/3rd and 1/4 the price of a house!
Also it's very important to remember that besides not having great handling or braking, the 60's cars did not have to deal with modern emissions, or crash standards, air bags, or all of the modern amenities that we have grown accustomed to in modern cars.
Might as well compare modern performance cars against racecars like the Radical, or motorcycles.

 

[Carleton]

Also remember that the 427 Cobra was about 1000 lbs lighter than most cars today, including the Viper.

Carleton

 

[Jcoopacr2000]

I know its 150,000, but todays Autoweek mag reported the Ford GT is officialy Fords fastest production car ever at 205 MPH.

 

[LIRacer]

Motion guarantted mid 11s or they would take the car back. I've been on a Vette sight hunting cranks... couldn't find any so I came over to the Viper site.

IMHO the 60s cars were better then the modern cars. Yes the modern cars like the Z06 and Viper are faster ...but there are a few 60s cars that move quicker still. And considering the technology today.... the Viper should turn 11s out of the box.

 

[LIRacer]

For your bathroom reading pleasure.

http://www.motionperformance.com/motion.html

 

[LIRacer]

In 1968, the Phase III Camaro was guaranteed to turn 11.50 1/4 miles times at over 120 mph with a M/P (Modified Production) licensed driver on an NHRA or AHRA sanctioned track.

 

[onerareviper]

Come'on man, let's get real... These were NOT factory cars. They were delivered to a tuner and heavily modified. The warrantee changed, etc..

"The warranty on the SS-427 Camaro was 90 days or 4000 miles on the powertrain and 24 months/24000 miles on the rest of the car - excluding all speed options. There was no warranty on any engine that was fitted with "internal engine modifications", such as a camshaft and high rev-kit."

It would be like a Viper owner having Woodhouse Dodge do 10K in mods. THIS IS NOT A FACTORY CAR, IMO.

 

[LIRacer]

From a seat of the pants measurement, my 1970 442 blows my Viper away. I know it is slower then the Dodge, but it is more fun... IMHO