When I bought my 04 it was listed at $65k w/ 1400 miles on it and bone stock. Right next to it was red 05 w/ a Paxton on it w/ 800 miles. It was listed at $58k. Any dealer will tell you stock cars sell higher and faster than modded cars, simply b/c there is the perception that modded cars were probably abused. Whether that perception is actual fact, that is the perception. Also, modded cars have no warranty. MOdded also only usually appeal to Viper faithful. Joe blow off the street will prefer to do his own mods if he does any at all. Some mods cannot be completely reversed.
A 2005 Viper with 800 miles and paxton for $58,000? That is either one hell of a deal and an anomaly or that car was wrecked. A 2005 with 800 miles and paxton will go for more than $65,000 right now. Hell I would even buy it for that price. I stand by my point that mods dont instantly depreciate a car further then stock. Yes there are people who want a stock car but there are also plenty of others who want a well kept, modded car. They are usually a better value since you get the mods at a signifciant discount.
Every system is designed with allowable tolerances. Changing air filters I imagine are w/in those tolerances, but again, there could be side effects such as increased engine wear due to more particles entering the engine, etc. And yes, I have all kinds of ideas about modding my Vipers, but I am willing to accept the consequences especially if they do not affect the handling of the vehicle. I would never mod the wheels b/c I do not like suprises in handling at 150 mph. I would however, mod the engine and other things. I am fully aware of voided warranties and reduced engine life and unpredictable computer and other problems that mods bring, but the benefit to me is worth the costs.
Well then here is a question - why did Dodge make the sidewinder wheels for the copperhead which are lighter then stock but used on the same stock suspension? In addition while i can not recall one incident on this website where someone said that their aftermarket wheels and tires caused any "surprises", concern or even an accident. However there are several incidents reported on this website where a modded power train went south. In fact there was one where an upgraded clutch assembly literally exploded and tore through the firewall and almost took the guys leg off. I saw the car in person. Not pretty. You can ask your Viper Tech. He knows all about it. There is more risk with an engine upgrade (while minimal) then with a wheel and tire change. In fact changing out the stock run flats is in the name of safety.
Smaller wheels and tires result in torque changes to the axle and can cause damage. The sprung and unsprung mass in the cars suspension is tuned so that the wheels move up and down in a certain time frame. Wheels too heavy and the car reacts to slowly, too light and the car reacts too quickly, both are out of the design parameters and the rest of the suspension is taking "inputs" from the modded suspension that are not in sync with how it is tuned to perform, so the remaining suspension does not know how to compensate for this "out of tolerance data". Result? Unpredictability. Now, can you prove that spin outs and cars flipping were not the cause of mods? hmmmm
Whos said anything about smaller wheels and tires? Where are you getting this information from? Damage to the axle? What axle - you mean each rear axle? How so? Come on. See above question about the Sidewinder wheels... Hmmm.
This is getting fun.
A 2005 Viper with 800 miles and paxton for $58,000? That is either one hell of a deal and an anomaly or that car was wrecked. A 2005 with 800 miles and paxton will go for more than $65,000 right now. Hell I would even buy it for that price. I stand by my point that mods dont instantly depreciate a car further then stock. Yes there are people who want a stock car but there are also plenty of others who want a well kept, modded car. They are usually a better value since you get the mods at a signifciant discount.
Every system is designed with allowable tolerances. Changing air filters I imagine are w/in those tolerances, but again, there could be side effects such as increased engine wear due to more particles entering the engine, etc. And yes, I have all kinds of ideas about modding my Vipers, but I am willing to accept the consequences especially if they do not affect the handling of the vehicle. I would never mod the wheels b/c I do not like suprises in handling at 150 mph. I would however, mod the engine and other things. I am fully aware of voided warranties and reduced engine life and unpredictable computer and other problems that mods bring, but the benefit to me is worth the costs.
Well then here is a question - why did Dodge make the sidewinder wheels for the copperhead which are lighter then stock but used on the same stock suspension? In addition while i can not recall one incident on this website where someone said that their aftermarket wheels and tires caused any "surprises", concern or even an accident. However there are several incidents reported on this website where a modded power train went south. In fact there was one where an upgraded clutch assembly literally exploded and tore through the firewall and almost took the guys leg off. I saw the car in person. Not pretty. You can ask your Viper Tech. He knows all about it. There is more risk with an engine upgrade (while minimal) then with a wheel and tire change. In fact changing out the stock run flats is in the name of safety.
Smaller wheels and tires result in torque changes to the axle and can cause damage. The sprung and unsprung mass in the cars suspension is tuned so that the wheels move up and down in a certain time frame. Wheels too heavy and the car reacts to slowly, too light and the car reacts too quickly, both are out of the design parameters and the rest of the suspension is taking "inputs" from the modded suspension that are not in sync with how it is tuned to perform, so the remaining suspension does not know how to compensate for this "out of tolerance data". Result? Unpredictability. Now, can you prove that spin outs and cars flipping were not the cause of mods? hmmmm
Whos said anything about smaller wheels and tires? Where are you getting this information from? Damage to the axle? What axle - you mean each rear axle? How so? Come on. See above question about the Sidewinder wheels... Hmmm.
This is getting fun.
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