SEBRING WORLD CHALLENGE GT EVENT FRIDAY MARCH 17

[Y2K5SRT]

Dodge/SRT along with the VCA will have a Car Corral for all Vipers and SRT vehicles on Friday, March 17 at Sebring Raceway. This event is limited to 50 vehicles and 100 people. The cost is $80.00 per person and it is on a first come first served basis. When it is sold out, there will be no more space available. Call 1-800-998-1110 to register and get your tickets. The $80.00 fee includes the following: Four day Super Ticket to Sebring including the 12 Hours of Sebring on Saturday, March 18 as well as private car corral, grandstand seating, tented area for Friday's catering (continental breakfast and lunch are provided on Friday), parking on Saturday in the Dodge/SRT car corral as well as use of tent and grandstand all on "Turn One". Remember, this is a limited space area and only 50 vehicles will be allowed in. Maximum capacity is 100 people. Don't let this opportunity get away - call 1-800-998-1110 and buy your tickets today!

PS. And for those interested, ALL generations of Vipers have ALWAYS been invited to "SRT Only" events: The Viper is an SRT vehicle and always has been, even when the group was called PVO or simply Team Viper.

 

[DEVILDOG]

WOW...GREAT CYA B S. YOU EVEN WIPED OUT GARY'S POST IN ADDITION TO MINE. TOO BAD MANY GEN I & II OWNERS SAW THE POSTS YESTERDAY AND KNOW THAT THE POWERS THAT BE HAVE TO WIPE OUT THEIR BAD DECISION INSTEAD OF BEING HONEST AND OWNING UP TO IT. I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT AS HONEST AS THE ENRON C SUITE. DO YOU HAVE AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY GARY DID NOT POST IN THE GEN I & II FORUM AND WHY THIS EVENT WAS NOT ON THE VCA CALENDAR? EVIDENTLY NOT! BTW, YOU STILL HAVE NOT PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR TO MAKE YOUR CYA B S COMPLETE. HURRY UP NOW BEFORE TOO MANY READ THIS. HOW LONG BEFORE YOU WIPE OUT THIS POST AND BAN ME? BE SURE TO LET US KNOW HOW MANY GEN I & II VIPERS YOU DECIDE ARE IN THE FIRST 50. AND IT WAS YOU THAT BROUGHT UP "HYPOCRISY". HOW APPROPRIATE!

 

[Early93Viper]

WOW...GREAT CYA B S. YOU EVEN WIPED OUT GARY'S POST IN ADDITION TO MINE. TOO BAD MANY GEN I & II OWNERS SAW THE POSTS YESTERDAY AND KNOW THAT THE POWERS THAT BE HAVE TO WIPE OUT THEIR BAD DECISION INSTEAD OF BEING HONEST AND OWNING UP TO IT. I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT AS HONEST AS THE ENRON C SUITE. DO YOU HAVE AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY GARY DID NOT POST IN THE GEN I & II FORUM AND WHY THIS EVENT WAS NOT ON THE VCA CALENDAR? EVIDENTLY NOT! BTW, YOU STILL HAVE NOT PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR TO MAKE YOUR CYA B S COMPLETE. HURRY UP NOW BEFORE TOO MANY READ THIS. HOW LONG BEFORE YOU WIPE OUT THIS POST AND BAN ME? BE SURE TO LET US KNOW HOW MANY GEN I & II VIPERS YOU DECIDE ARE IN THE FIRST 50.

Calm down. They made a small mistake and fixed it. You need to give people the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Y2K5SRT]

WOW...GREAT CYA B S. YOU EVEN WIPED OUT GARY'S POST IN ADDITION TO MINE. TOO BAD MANY GEN I & II OWNERS SAW THE POSTS YESTERDAY AND KNOW THAT THE POWERS THAT BE HAVE TO WIPE OUT THEIR BAD DECISION INSTEAD OF BEING HONEST AND OWNING UP TO IT. I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT AS HONEST AS THE ENRON C SUITE. DO YOU HAVE AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY GARY DID NOT POST IN THE GEN I & II FORUM AND WHY THIS EVENT WAS NOT ON THE VCA CALENDAR? EVIDENTLY NOT! BTW, YOU STILL HAVE NOT PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR TO MAKE YOUR CYA B S COMPLETE. HURRY UP NOW BEFORE TOO MANY READ THIS. HOW LONG BEFORE YOU WIPE OUT THIS POST AND BAN ME? BE SURE TO LET US KNOW HOW MANY GEN I & II VIPERS YOU DECIDE ARE IN THE FIRST 50.

Sorry Champ, I didn't touch your other posts - indeed, I was quite eager to reply.

Let me spell it out for you, plain and simple: ONE guy neglected to post the notice in this forum. Not the VCA, not me, not SRT, not SRT owners, not Dodge, not DaimlerChrysler, ONE SINGLE GUY. Now if you want to ******** your bomb pack and blow yourself up in the middle of ALL Viper owners like you are doing now, so be it. Just try to get it through your head that this is the VIPER club and a VIPER event and ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Just because ONE GUY didn't post it here doesn't mean you need to infect me and everybody else with your hatred. Ban you? I wouldn't support it as you are already trying to become some sort of twisted martyr in your self-centered Cause of One - bomb pack and all.

As for the calendar, I will try to figure out how to update it just for you. In the meantime, this is my last reply on this. It's not even an event in our region or Zone and I have had enough trying to reason with somebody whose agenda clearly is the destruction of the Viper community.

Oh, and after all of this you will be going to Sebring, right?

 

[DEVILDOG]

WOW...GREAT CYA B S. YOU EVEN WIPED OUT GARY'S POST IN ADDITION TO MINE. TOO BAD MANY GEN I & II OWNERS SAW THE POSTS YESTERDAY AND KNOW THAT THE POWERS THAT BE HAVE TO WIPE OUT THEIR BAD DECISION INSTEAD OF BEING HONEST AND OWNING UP TO IT. I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT AS HONEST AS THE ENRON C SUITE. DO YOU HAVE AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY GARY DID NOT POST IN THE GEN I & II FORUM AND WHY THIS EVENT WAS NOT ON THE VCA CALENDAR? EVIDENTLY NOT! BTW, YOU STILL HAVE NOT PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR TO MAKE YOUR CYA B S COMPLETE. HURRY UP NOW BEFORE TOO MANY READ THIS. HOW LONG BEFORE YOU WIPE OUT THIS POST AND BAN ME? BE SURE TO LET US KNOW HOW MANY GEN I & II VIPERS YOU DECIDE ARE IN THE FIRST 50.

Sorry Champ, I didn't touch your other posts - indeed, I was quite eager to reply.

Let me spell it out for you, plain and simple: ONE guy neglected to post the notice in this forum. Not the VCA, not me, not SRT, not SRT owners, not Dodge, not DaimlerChrysler, ONE SINGLE GUY. Now if you want to ******** your bomb pack and blow yourself up in the middle of ALL Viper owners like you are doing now, so be it. Just try to get it through your head that this is the VIPER club and a VIPER event and ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Just because ONE GUY didn't post it here doesn't mean you need to infect me and everybody else with your hatred.

As for the calendar, I will try to figure out how to update it just for you. In the meantime, this is my last reply on this. It's not even an event in our region or Zone and I have had enough trying to reason with somebody whose agenda clearly is the destruction of the Viper community.

Oh, and after all of this you will be going to Sebring, right?

Since you're so interested in the truth then why were the threads wiped out? And the one guy you talk about is a ZONE DIRECTOR! Doesn't he know that an SRT EVENT includes GEN I & II owners? And if I do go to Sebring I won't lower myself by spending time with "hypocrits" and thread deleters. Keep thinking we don't know the truth and that your CYA B S has been successful. As far as your last post on the subject, I expect you're very tired from having to get up early to call the SRT boys and the moderators to cover this up. Get some rest now. Being a hypocrite is hard work! BTW, did you advise Nixon to erase the tapes?

 

[Early93Viper]

Since you're so interested in the truth then why were the threads wiped out? And the one guy you talk about is a ZONE DIRECTOR! Doesn't he know that an SRT EVENT includes GEN I & II owners? And if I do go to Sebring I won't lower myself by spending time with "hypocrits" and thread deleters. Keep thinking we don't know the truth and that your CYA B S has been successful. As far as your last post on the subject, I expect you're very tired from having to get up early to call the SRT boys and the moderators to cover this up. Get some rest now. Being a hypocrite is hard work!

Do the words: raving lunatic mean anything to you?

CALM DOWN

Go to the Corvette forum if you want to fight. Where all friends here.

 

[DEVILDOG]

Where all friends here.

I know why you believe this crap.

 

[GR8_ASP]

Devildog you are sounding like a raving lunatic. Your anti VCA and anti SRT-10 have been heard loud and clear. Too many times in fact. I would take Chris' advice and buy a pack and see if you can find a place to cleanse the world of your hate.

The Viper community does not need the likes of you. The axe you have to grind is clear. Why you need to take it out on the community is unclear.

 

[DEVILDOG]

Devildog you are sounding like a raving lunatic. Your anti VCA and anti SRT-10 have been heard loud and clear. Too many times in fact. I would take Chris' advice and buy a pack and see if you can find a place to cleanse the world of your hate.

The Viper community does not need the likes of you. The axe you have to grind is clear. Why you need to take it out on the community is unclear.

blah...blah...blah

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Devildog you are sounding like a raving lunatic. Your anti VCA and anti SRT-10 have been heard loud and clear. Too many times in fact. I would take Chris' advice and buy a pack and see if you can find a place to cleanse the world of your hate.

The Viper community does not need the likes of you. The axe you have to grind is clear. Why you need to take it out on the community is unclear.

blah...blah...blah

In this instance....I agree with Devildog. Just who does Gr8asp think HE is to say what the vca needs??? I got three letters for him....KMA!

While I thank Chris for his help....Gary [*****] up...but in typical fashion just did a fir-and-forget. How on the great green earth could a ZONE Director make a mistake like that? Heck, ANY 7 year old could have read that and understood it meant SRTs only.

As for all Vipers being part of SRT....not on your life. Anything and EVERYTHING "VCA" should be addresed as a VIPER event....not an SRT event.

I have gone to great lengths at times to protect and help the whiner in the SRT forum area when they felt like they were under attack. You all return the [*****] sentiment and let DD have his say.

I will reiterte....it was handled poorly by Lashinsky. From what I have read it shouldn't surprise me. Why isn't he here cleaning up his mess?

 

[Warfang]

I wouldn't vote for DD to be an ambassador to France anytime soon, but I couldn't think of a better person to watch my back in a dark alley.

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

LOL DD you're cracking me up. LOL

Before Gary's post I received an email from Kim Vogt referring to Viper SRTs and the SRT line. So, Gary may have simply done a cut-n-paste. Regardless, I didn't feel left out but wanted to confirm my .01% uncertainty.

See y'all at Sebring. I'll be in my GenII RT/10

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

BWTV!!!

 

[PDCjonny]

I wouldn't vote for DD to be an ambassador to France anytime soon, but I couldn't think of a better person to watch my back in a dark alley.

Oh contraire Herr Wolf, I think he would be the perfect ambassador for our souffle eating friends......

 

[Joseph Dell]

Last year, the Zone Rendevous was scheduled well in advance of the "SRT Experience". Dodge not only competed with that event directly (by scheduling the event on the SAME day!), but after a request to not send out mailers to the VCA for the SRT experience AND a committment that they would not do this, they did it anyway.

like i said in the deleted post... nothing surprises me.

JD

 

[Warfang]

I wouldn't vote for DD to be an ambassador to France anytime soon, but I couldn't think of a better person to watch my back in a dark alley.

Oh contraire Herr Wolf, I think he would be the perfect ambassador for our souffle eating friends......

Well that all depends on if we want to pretend we're still friends or just kick them in the nuts.

I'm all for the kicking, but we don't send in ambassadors for that.

 

[Warfang]

Last year, the Zone Rendevous was scheduled well in advance of the "SRT Experience". Dodge not only competed with that event directly (by scheduling the event on the SAME day!), but after a request to not send out mailers to the VCA for the SRT experience AND a committment that they would not do this, they did it anyway.

like i said in the deleted post... nothing surprises me.

JD

Kinda makes you wanna start your own club...

 

[RedEnuf93]

I'm happy to see that there is ONE guy who took the heat and got things straightened out, Chris. Thanks!

I had no idea Sebring was in Kansas, but I'm happy that is cleared for me.

Makes me wonder why the original poster of this SRT thing NEVER bothered to reply??? NICE TOUCH!!!

And why was the original post deleted?

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

I think this was all being addressed from various fronts. Unfortunately, not one of those fronts was the Zone Director himself.

I have already told Chris that I (personally) think we missed a beat. Hindsight tells me that the ZD really didn't have any idea of what words were used. I (we) should have, and I (we) likely should have cleared it up on the spot.

 

[DEVILDOG]

I wouldn't vote for DD to be an ambassador to France anytime soon, but I couldn't think of a better person to watch my back in a dark alley.

Oh contraire Herr Wolf, I think he would be the perfect ambassador for our souffle eating friends......

Well that all depends on if we want to pretend we're still friends or just kick them in the nuts.

I'm all for the kicking, but we don't send in ambassadors for that.

That's right...you send in the MARINES(DEVILDOGS)! However, don't get me started on the french. SUPERCHARGED VIPERMAD, Warfang, Chuck 98 RT/10, Viper Jon and Joseph Dell thanks for your support! I'm glad you all understand I was trying to wake the VCA/SRT up to including the GEN I & II VCA members. If I was in Florida I'd want to take advantage of that Sebring race and party with those accommodations! SUPERCHARGED, I owe you an apology for past indiscretions...you are definitely a stand up guy! With VCA guys like those of you above I've decided to renew my VCA membership and will be doing so by phone tomorrow. Chuck, clean your wheels before you go to Sebring...have fun!

 

[GR8_ASP]

I think one thing you guys may be missing is the difference between a Dodge sponsored event and a VCA event. I do not know specifics but Dodge can invite whomever they want when they are paying the piper. And last time I checked they were no longer producting Gen I or II so it seems obvious if they were doing something for marketing, they would want product that is currently available or emphasizes what they are marketing.

Also, the VCA and Dodge marketing are not joined at the hip. You can assume that one will not always know what the other is doing, nor always have an impact on it. Hence a situation like stated above. One element plans events around the US based on track availability and such. And then starts to promote it while securing the various facilities (probably with non-returnable deposits). Finding out after the fact that another element had something planned in the same vicinity with only a partial overlap in potential attendees is hardly enough rationale to toss the money in the garbage and start over. First and foremost they are in the business to make and sell new cars.

Even when these opportunities do not fit the needs or desires of all potential Viper owners, we should applaud Dodge's efforts to find activities of interest. Remember the only reason they would do it is for marketing/owner relations. If we reduce the marketing benefit or make it into a negative marketing tool, the opportunities will dry up fast.

Think of it this way, if you were a builder and used to build ranches but now specialize in colonials, would you invite colonial buyers and such to an event or owners of ranches like you used to make? Which one serves your marketing dollar better?

Just my $0.02 and I do not have to criticize one generation of Viper to try make a point

 

[GTS Bruce]

This has been intresting.As I see it the organizers want to promote their various SRT vehicles and don't want to be upstaged by no longer in production gen 1&2 Vipers.Rather than turning their backs on the earlier cars they should remember which cars put them on the world map and promote their vehicles as having a little Viper in them not a little srt in them.That being said,as a Viper driver I have no interest in other SRT vehicles or events. GTS Bruce

 

[DEVILDOG]

I think one thing you guys may be missing is the difference between a Dodge sponsored event and a VCA event. I do not know specifics but Dodge can invite whomever they want when they are paying the piper. And last time I checked they were no longer producting Gen I or II so it seems obvious if they were doing something for marketing, they would want product that is currently available or emphasizes what they are marketing.

Also, the VCA and Dodge marketing are not joined at the hip. You can assume that one will not always know what the other is doing, nor always have an impact on it. Hence a situation like stated above. One element plans events around the US based on track availability and such. And then starts to promote it while securing the various facilities (probably with non-returnable deposits). Finding out after the fact that another element had something planned in the same vicinity with only a partial overlap in potential attendees is hardly enough rationale to toss the money in the garbage and start over. First and foremost they are in the business to make and sell new cars.

Even when these opportunities do not fit the needs or desires of all potential Viper owners, we should applaud Dodge's efforts to find activities of interest. Remember the only reason they would do it is for marketing/owner relations. If we reduce the marketing benefit or make it into a negative marketing tool, the opportunities will dry up fast.

Think of it this way, if you were a builder and used to build ranches but now specialize in colonials, would you invite colonial buyers and such to an event or owners of ranches like you used to make? Which one serves your marketing dollar better?

Just my $0.02 and I do not have to criticize one generation of Viper to try make a point

WRONG! If DC & DODGE/SRT don't still realize the continuing halo effect of having GEN I & II VIPERS at their marketing/promotional events then they don't deserve to sell one more SRT anything! BTW, I have a B. S. in Marketing so I know what I'm talking about!

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Shall I go into the Recycle Bin and get a direct QUOTE for you GR8 ASP? I don't think anyone here will argue that Dodge can do what they want....I don't think that was the issue.

First this:

the VCA and Dodge marketing are not joined at the hip.

And you've been around THIS website long enough to make that mistake? Come on, man! LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG (get the idea?) ago this site went from being a site for Viper Owners/Enthusiasts....to just another marketing tool. Maybe not always used...but the site shifted "allegiance", well, a LONG time ago.

Lastly, If Dodge wants the VCA.....they get the VCA...meaning Vipers. If they want SRT's...let them go to srtforums.com for their fill.

Lets just make this perfectly clear:

There can be absolutely NO VCA EVENT....and it be SRT only.

That, I do believe, is all anyone who loves the Viper, this club, and this site...wants to hear acknowledged.

(And just so it is clear....I will allow ALL Vipers to change their oil at my house).

 

[DEVILDOG]

This has been intresting.As I see it the organizers want to promote their various SRT vehicles and don't want to be upstaged by no longer in production gen 1&2 Vipers.Rather than turning their backs on the earlier cars they should remember which cars put them on the world map and promote their vehicles as having a little Viper in them not a little srt in them.That being said,as a Viper driver I have no interest in other SRT vehicles or events. GTS Bruce

GTS Bruce, another SMART MARKETER!

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Considering the past difficulty in getting 50 Vipers to attend this great event I don't blame DC for emphasizing the SRT line. Those oh-so-proud Viper owners sure as **** haven't pulled their weight in supporting things like this. It is embarrassing to drive into that big ol' lot capable of accommodating 50 cars and only have a half dozen lonely dedicated Vipers show up.

Friday's event will have at least 10 Comp Coupes racing.

If you don't like watching, hearing and smelling a gazillion horsepower blasting past you at 150mph you bought the wrong car.

Posers and whiners most of you.

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

Considering the past difficulty in getting 50 Vipers to attend this great event I don't blame DC for emphasizing the SRT line. Those oh-so-proud Viper owners sure as **** haven't pulled their weight in supporting things like this. It is embarrassing to drive into that big ol' lot capable of accommodating 50 cars and only have a half dozen lonely dedicated Vipers show up.


Posers and whiners most of you.

So true a couple years back after attending a Woodhouse driving school I showed up with my Acura and had no problem parking in the Viper corral!!! Must have been to much dust for the Poser's. I was ready to park elsewhere but with the turn out of only 8 Vipers there was plenty of parking!

 

[GR8_ASP]

In this instance....I agree with Devildog. Just who does Gr8asp think HE is to say what the vca needs??? I got three letters for him....KMA!

Well, since I AM a member of the VCA and the aforementioned Devildog is NOT, I do feel I have a voice. So even though I agree with 99% of the time this time I think you can KMA!

SRT is the name of the group. SRT is the name they apply to the products they produce and market. Why do you think they should avoid using that name. It does not have to have the negative connotations that are being applied here. Nor does it have to indicate the exclusion of previous Viper models. That was an interpretation made by people here, albeit incorrectly.

 

[hemibeep]

I read the original posts. I believe the GEN II line was called SR (family vehicle code)
BUT It did read to me as it was for new SRT's only and it bothered my all day monday thinking I would not be included.

So my answer is to get friday the 17th off and get some tickets to head to sebring.

P.S. I am also knowledgable of marketing, and I am sure DC realizes that many future SRT owners are either current or past GEN I/II owners

 

[Andrew/USPWR]

Considering the past difficulty in getting 50 Vipers to attend this great event I don't blame DC for emphasizing the SRT line. Those oh-so-proud Viper owners sure as **** haven't pulled their weight in supporting things like this. It is embarrassing to drive into that big ol' lot capable of accommodating 50 cars and only have a half dozen lonely dedicated Vipers show up.
Friday's event will have at least 10 Comp Coupes racing.
If you don't like watching, hearing and smelling a gazillion horsepower blasting past you at 150mph you bought the wrong car.
Posers and whiners most of you.
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I agree Chuck. I went to the Le mans Race at Road Atlanta when I first got my Viper, and the only car in the 100 car corral was a Chevy corvette.
Most events I've been to have a quarter of the Vipers there it could hold.
I'll be at Sebring, lets see who else will put their time and money were their mouth is.
Dodge is sinking a lot of money into the SRT brand and need to see a return on their dollar today, not 30yr. from now in a Barrett Jackson auction because there so rare, for the reason the didn’t sell worth a damn.