Video Section

[01viper4me]

What region were you in? I am on the younger end of the spectrum in my region as well, but we all hang out as one big group from mid 20's to upper 60's and beyond. The only thing you need to share in common is the car at the beginning, it is the foundation to the car club. The friendships and relationships formed from that foundation is what keeps the car club growing and making it rise above all the others.

I am in the Indiana/KY region. Steve has been extremely awesome and supportive whenever I see him at Cars and Coffee. There are a couple other Viper guys that show up to events I attend and I always enjoy their conversation. That being said, I haven't found that I need to spend $150 to get what I want out of owning a Viper. To be honest, I only attended one regional meeting because they are always during Cars and Coffee which I enjoy more than only seeing Vipers. I did enjoy reading the Viper magazine; however, I don't feel paying the fee just to get the magazine is worth $150. There is a strong chance that in the future I will rejoin; however, until I will actually take advantage of what being a member has to offer, it wont happen. Now that doesn't mean in any way that if the local club runs an event for charity that I wont give and support their events.

Pretty "ballsy" to be new to a forum and want to criticise, modify and/or change the forum format.

Especially when the forum is operated and paid for by members of a car club. A club that requires annual dues to be a member.

Who cares how many Vipers you have had... How does that qualify anything?
Is that some sort of "Obamaian" entitlement?

Just because you play golf, doesn't mean you can walk into the Country Club and play....


You drive a Viper and can't afford a $100 membership?....

You are exactly part of the reason that I have no interest in REjoining the VCA this year. Yes I can easily afford the cost of the annual dues and that isn't nor has it ever been the issue. I am the youngest by over 20 years in my region and since the majority of my region are retired with grand kids, I don't have anything in common with the exception of my car. I don't do my own work on the car so having access to the advice given on the site is not something I use. I use this forum to see what is going on with other owners and have occasional conversation.
Yet when I offer a simple suggestion about making "YOUR" forum simply better, you get your *****'s in a bunch and whine about my lack of a VCA membership this year instead of thinking "hmm... it could be cool to see videos of other members enjoying their Viper, why don't we have a section for that?"
You are exactly right that I can't just walk into a Country Club and play a round of golf. But that is a completely moronic example to prove your point and has no relevance to me asking about a video section. If I drive by that Country Club every day and realize that they only have 17 holes and not 18, I am completely within my rights to send a letter to the owner or even walk in and offer up a way to make "THEIR" Club better by adding something that would make their Club more complete. They could take my advice and think "this guy may have a point" or they could go your route and say "well this guy didn't pay to be a member so he has no place telling us how we could be better."

All I asked is if there was a video section people could point me to and if there wasn't one, was there a way there could be.

 

[01viper4me]

A reasonable cost for making 3000 posts would certainly not be $600+ If people want to be members, let them be members. If people don't, don't give them crap over it. I've been a member several times before and really didn't think it was worth it for me. If people think that non members shouldn't post on the VCA site, make it members only, problem solved. ...except watch a considerable decline in traffic and shared knowledge.

I completely agree

 

[Venomiss]

First off the year of membership is $115 which is a few fill ups for gasoline for Viper Owners.

$150 is if you choose the Venom option.

The point was this VCA website, Viper Magazine, regional zone events, are supported by VCA membership.
Discounts from vendors, and a little thing called VOI are also factors.

VCA members get perks such as the VCA Viper raffle which will be the next ring record Viper.

Sorry to hear you don't have anything in common with your local VCA IN/KY group-sounds like they try very hard to offer all kinds of events and have been trying different things this year.

 

[01viper4me]

First off the year of membership is $115 which is a few fill ups for gasoline for Viper Owners.

$150 is if you choose the Venom option.

The point was this VCA website, Viper Magazine, regional zone events, are supported by VCA membership.
Discounts from vendors, and a little thing called VOI are also factors.

VCA members get perks such as the VCA Viper raffle which will be the next ring record Viper.

Sorry to hear you don't have anything in common with your local VCA IN/KY group-sounds like they try very hard to offer all kinds of events and have been trying different things this year.

Well I don't attend many of the regional events, the magazine was fun I admit, discounts from vendors isn't too big of a deal because I search online and find the discounts I need, and VOI would be cool, but I couldn't attend this year anyway. The VCA Viper raffle is fine, and if there is a raffle that I feel is worth going after, I will renew and enter. The local IN/KY group is very active and they are always doing events which is great. That being said, I am young enough to be many of the member's grandson which there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it just makes hanging out not as fun because the stories I share aren't relevant to the stories they share. I am not frustrated in any way and think the world of the guys in the IN/KY region. I just choose not to spend money on an VCA this year. As far as the $115... it truly is sad that it is probably two fill ups at this point for us Viper owners haha.

Just because I don't want to be a member this year doesn't mean that I don't want to still talk and hang out with Viper guys. As Makara said above, if the VCA doesn't want non members to view and post on the forum all they have to do is lock it for members only. It is as simple as that; however, until that time I will enjoy being an "Enthusiast" and will post on the site and don't feel I should be chastised for doing so. But I can be pretty sure that if the VCA members like Treesnake treat "Enthusiast's" this way, I will have little interest in renewing my membership.

 

[Silver04]

Just because I don't want to be a member this year doesn't mean that I don't want to still talk and hang out with Viper guys. As Makara said above, if the VCA doesn't want non members to view and post on the forum all they have to do is lock it for members only. It is as simple as that; however, until that time I will enjoy being an "Enthusiast" and will post on the site and don't feel I should be chastised for doing so. But I can be pretty sure that if the VCA members like Treesnake treat "Enthusiast's" this way, I will have little interest in renewing my membership.

In the short time I've been here, I agree completely with your analysis. The day this place is locked-down will be the day crickets appear even more than they do at times...

Don't sweat the yos-yos on here that make non-VCA feel like dirt. There is a reason some ex-VCA don't renew, the fact that there are no new Vipers is probably not as significant as those 'in charge' would have you believe...Heck, you should try getting minutes or $ info re: this club Have you seen "A Few Good Men" lately? Ha ha

Even though you're not VCA you can still attend VOI, apparently. You going?

 

[Makara]

First off the year of membership is $115 which is a few fill ups for gasoline for Viper Owners.

$150 is if you choose the Venom option.

The point was this VCA website, Viper Magazine, regional zone events, are supported by VCA membership.
Discounts from vendors, and a little thing called VOI are also factors.

VCA members get perks such as the VCA Viper raffle which will be the next ring record Viper.

Sorry to hear you don't have anything in common with your local VCA IN/KY group-sounds like they try very hard to offer all kinds of events and have been trying different things this year.

If someone has little to no interest in most of those things, dropping $115 to 150 a year doesn't make sense. Yes, most people on here could afford it but that doesn't mean anything. Paying for something that you get no use from is a waste of money. I don't get why some people don't understand that. Make the VCA site totally members only if you don't want people posting who don't have memberships. Stop calling them freeloaders. I am pretty sure that the amount I have paid in VCA memberships has more than paid for the bandwidth I have used on this site.

 

[treesnake]

So.... the last 6 out of 7 posts' were non- member "guests" and one "member" slamming the VCA and what it doesn't do for them...... On the VCA site, no less????
Like I said, pretty "ballsy",... if not plain rude. I'm 53, guess I was brought up a little different in regards to how a "guest" should act...

I know who you "Viper guys" are. You go to VC events and stand in the corner with your significant other, female I hope.... You don't talk to anybody and leave after about 1/2 hour. You do this for 2-3 events. You then complain about what a boring club or you don't have anything in common with anybody.... We have a couple in our club...
I'm guessing you take up two parking spots right outside the door of a restaurant or shopping center.... Bet I'm right...

Too bad... Because those "old guys" were never 25 yrs old. They (we) never went through any of the daily life problems that a 25 yr. old would have. They never encountered those problems, dealt with them, and then talk about the success or failure of their actions. I doubt they ever chased girls, definitely never drank too much....
They just skipped all those valuable life experiences and went right to being.... "OLD"........

There comes a time when "numerical" age doesn't really matter any more. After a while, everyone is experiencing the same thing, work, family etc.. Doesn't matter how old you are, thats the way it is.

You might be surprised to find out how much you do have in common with an "old" guy that was driving a brand new blue, big block Corvette when he was your age...

What I'm getting at is, you just might have more in common than you think....

As far as the "Enthusiest" thing... I doubt any one really cares about threads or posts' by "enthusiasts"....
My comments were directed, and highlighted, in reference to the "WE" that was thrown around. Who are you referring to? Since this site is owned and run by "members", wouldn't members be making changes.
Typically when money is involved in business (or pleasure...), changes, additions etc would be initiated by the people paying for the product (website)....

That is all....

 

[01viper4me]

I know who you "Viper guys" are. You go to VC events and stand in the corner with your significant other, female I hope.... You don't talk to anybody and leave after about 1/2 hour. You do this for 2-3 events. You then complain about what a boring club or you don't have anything in common with anybody.... We have a couple in our club...
I'm guessing you take up two parking spots right outside the door of a restaurant or shopping center.... Bet I'm right...

Too bad... Because those "old guys" were never 25 yrs old. They (we) never went through any of the daily life problems that a 25 yr. old would have. They never encountered those problems, dealt with them, and then talk about the success or failure of their actions. I doubt they ever chased girls, definitely never drank too much....
They just skipped all those valuable life experiences and went right to being.... "OLD"........

There comes a time when "numerical" age doesn't really matter any more. After a while, everyone is experiencing the same thing, work, family etc.. Doesn't matter how old you are, thats the way it is.

You might be surprised to find out how much you do have in common with an "old" guy that was driving a brand new blue, big block Corvette when he was your age...

What I'm getting at is, you just might have more in common than you think....

As far as the "Enthusiest" thing... I doubt any one really cares about threads or posts' by "enthusiasts"....
My comments were directed, and highlighted, in reference to the "WE" that was thrown around. Who are you referring to? Since this site is owned and run by "members", wouldn't members be making changes.
Typically when money is involved in business (or pleasure...), changes, additions etc would be initiated by the people paying for the product (website)....

That is all....

A couple things to be said... first NO one was slamming the VCA, only slamming members like yourself who think because they paid their membership dues they are better than someone else. All I wanted to know if there was a video section that YOUR club had or didn't have and if there wasn't one would their be an interest in having one. You are so offended by the word "WE" in my statement which was directed to all Viper owners not just Viper Club Members. There were actually people who wanted to share some videos of their cars so others could view them. They understood the post and answered politely. But you have to get high and mighty about the fact that this is YOUR club and not mine. So go ahead and be like that. I would expect someone who is in the business of serving other car enthusiasts (performancespeedtech) would realize that treating people like you do would not make them want to go by your business. Also, typically people in a club WANT more people to join... especially one like this one. You seem to be trying as hard as you can to push people away from ever wanting to join the VCA with the way you treat "enthusiast's".
Second don't presume to know what kind of "Viper Guy" I am. I never said my region was boring or that they didn't put on extremely awesome events; it is quite the opposite. I said simply that I don't have anything in common except my car. The last meeting I was at, I heard about member's grand kids and what they were doing, and about their retirement. They are past the stage in life where going out and partying, chasing girls, and starting new jobs are the focal point of conversation. I certainly value and enjoy their advice and life experience but don't care to hang out all the time with them (certainly not to have to pay to do so). It goes both ways though, if my region was all young 20's and there was one 65yr old, I highly doubt they would want to go out clubbing or to the bars until 2am. As far as being the one who sits off in a corner, you couldn't be further from the truth. But way to make that assumption. And what does they way someone parks their car have to do with anything? If I drive my Viper to the store, I do take up 2 spots, you are correct. But I do it in the very back of the lot so I don't inconvenience anyone else. I know plenty of "old" guys who do the same thing with a car they want to protect from door dings.

As far as who makes the changes to this site, yes, it would be members who would do so. That being said, ideas can come from anyone. You could have just as easily said "I am TREESNAKE, I speak for the entire VCA and we don't want a Video section on our site." I would had said fair enough thanks for letting me know and gone about my business.

Being 53 I would have expected someone of your "maturity" to understand and execute the Golden Rule, apparently I am wrong to make that expectation.

 

[01viper4me]

In the short time I've been here, I agree completely with your analysis. The day this place is locked-down will be the day crickets appear even more than they do at times...

Don't sweat the yos-yos on here that make non-VCA feel like dirt. There is a reason some ex-VCA don't renew, the fact that there are no new Vipers is probably not as significant as those 'in charge' would have you believe...Heck, you should try getting minutes or $ info re: this club Have you seen "A Few Good Men" lately? Ha ha

Even though you're not VCA you can still attend VOI, apparently. You going?

I appreciate it Silver04... I do know that 99% of the VCA are extremely respectful and helpful. Most forums and sites I frequent don't have the same caliber of people that the VCA has. You are one of the type of VCA members that would entice me to re-join. Unfortunately I am in a wedding the same time during VOI this year and will not be able to attend. I would have loved to have gone because I hear it is a blast!

 

[AviP]

I'm with you 01Viper4me. I was a regular with the VCA from almost the inception. Missed one year back in the late 90s and got a new join date. Not that it mattered to me. Then about 3 years ago, I got fed up with the magazine, discontinued Membership and eventually got downgraded to "Enthusiast".

Well, I've "enthusiastically" owned and driven my Viper for over 14 years now.

My regional club is actually quite active and fun, but I decided not to renew mainly because the crazy speeding at meets was a little troubling at times. Besides with 3 kids, it's hard to get any personal time anymore.

When I joined the forum, most owners were humble and true automotive enthusiasts. Over the years, the snobbish crowd is on the rise. They love their cash and their country club and their 4 bay garages. In the end, it's all trash talk. Who cares?

Don't take all the trash talk so personally. Most of the good guys here will be able to see you as a fine person who had a genuine interest in improving the website.

 

[01viper4me]

I'm with you 01Viper4me. I was a regular with the VCA from almost the inception. Missed one year back in the late 90s and got a new join date. Not that it mattered to me. Then about 3 years ago, I got fed up with the magazine, discontinued Membership and eventually got downgraded to "Enthusiast".

Well, I've "enthusiastically" owned and driven my Viper for over 14 years now.

My regional club is actually quite active and fun, but I decided not to renew mainly because the crazy speeding at meets was a little troubling at times. Besides with 3 kids, it's hard to get any personal time anymore.

When I joined the forum, most owners were humble and true automotive enthusiasts. Over the years, the snobbish crowd is on the rise. They love their cash and their country club and their 4 bay garages. In the end, it's all trash talk. Who cares?

Don't take all the trash talk so personally. Most of the good guys here will be able to see you as a fine person who had a genuine interest in improving the website.

Thanks AviP!

 

[Makara]

So.... the last 6 out of 7 posts' were non- member "guests" and one "member" slamming the VCA and what it doesn't do for them...... On the VCA site, no less????
Like I said, pretty "ballsy",... if not plain rude. I'm 53, guess I was brought up a little different in regards to how a "guest" should act...

I know who you "Viper guys" are. You go to VC events and stand in the corner with your significant other, female I hope.... You don't talk to anybody and leave after about 1/2 hour. You do this for 2-3 events. You then complain about what a boring club or you don't have anything in common with anybody.... We have a couple in our club...
I'm guessing you take up two parking spots right outside the door of a restaurant or shopping center.... Bet I'm right...

Too bad... Because those "old guys" were never 25 yrs old. They (we) never went through any of the daily life problems that a 25 yr. old would have. They never encountered those problems, dealt with them, and then talk about the success or failure of their actions. I doubt they ever chased girls, definitely never drank too much....
They just skipped all those valuable life experiences and went right to being.... "OLD"........

There comes a time when "numerical" age doesn't really matter any more. After a while, everyone is experiencing the same thing, work, family etc.. Doesn't matter how old you are, thats the way it is.

You might be surprised to find out how much you do have in common with an "old" guy that was driving a brand new blue, big block Corvette when he was your age...

What I'm getting at is, you just might have more in common than you think....

As far as the "Enthusiest" thing... I doubt any one really cares about threads or posts' by "enthusiasts"....
My comments were directed, and highlighted, in reference to the "WE" that was thrown around. Who are you referring to? Since this site is owned and run by "members", wouldn't members be making changes.
Typically when money is involved in business (or pleasure...), changes, additions etc would be initiated by the people paying for the product (website)....

That is all....

No one is slamming the VCA. Not everyone that has a viper needs to be a member every year that they own the car. People are slamming people like you who can't come to grips that not everyone wants to be in their club every single year.

 

[01viper4me]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3LJW4xjFqI

Some incredible Viper footage on this video!