Viper racing at PBIR YESTERDAY

[SnakeBitten]

U guys should check out a gen V thread called "its not .008" The posters are convinced that the gen V & ZR1 are the fastest cars out there LOL Guys like "ipetrov" and others are sure of it. I mentioned the McLaren MP4-12C YES STOCK as noted here and they werent hearing it. LOL..its a rocket....0-60mph in 2.9 seconds and it can bend and turn.

Dont get me wrong, I'm super excited about my Gen V order and besides my Lamborghini, or I should say like it, it will be the most exciting supercar I've ever owned. But its not the fastest car out there. I saw a 16 cylinder Veyron SMOKE an Aventador and the aventador is very similar speed and performance to the above noted McLaren.

I guess i'm fine with not having the fastest whip. But it sure is gonna be nice this summer being the only guy in a Shadow Blue Pearl Gen V with Venom's & sepia interior. Exclusivity rocks. I suspect the performance will too.

Very true. I didnt realize the Mclaren MP4 was this fast. Its trapping 134mph stock which is a far cry from the Vipers 127-128mph that weve seen so far. At least the Viper beats them in the twisties so far. I think those cars just have the tech advantage in putting the power down. And of course the MP4-12C ridiculous 29xx weight. I mean, before the MP4-12C, 2.9 sec to 60mph on the street was unheard of in anything not AWD or had a rocket strapped to it. Wish the Viper LC worked like that.

 

[Paul Hawker]

Electronic shifters are faster, but not as much fun.

 

[Policy Limits]

yeah the MP4 car might unfang you but once the novelty of the insect doors wears off, all you have is a car that aesthetically looks like a Saturn LOL

I'll take my new GTS anyday over it.

 

[ViperSmith]

I love the way the Mclaren look lol - but to be fair, the 458 puts it to shame.

 

[Policy Limits]

Oh yeah for the dough I'd definitely choose the 458 Italia over the MP car. Whats up with that awful name btw? LOL

With the MP4 Spider debut, however, the styling improved a bit with those double humps in the rear of the vehicle & being able to drop the top "on the fly" is a cool feature indeed.

 

[utahviper]

I don't think that is a very good time with drag radials. The mph should have been 130-132 mph. I've run 129mph multiple times out of my gen4 at Vegas which is 2200 ft elevation with original pilot sports.

 

[DMan]

So if Ralph is reading this, then we may see a Viper DS (drag strip). With 4.56 gears and tall boy slicks, skinney's up front, and lightening rod gate shifter. LoL

 

[GONABITE]

The gen 5 will be hard pressed to get a 1.5 60' helping it get to the 10s due to the very tall first gear that's in it now. This is why the car
Bogged so much yesterday no matter how hard it was launched to the point where the clutch was really getting smoked and weak. It was
Great to see the car there in real world and not magazine testing. What we all seem to forget its only 40 more HP than the gen 4 and a
Much lower first gear so we can't really expect much more in the quarter than the gen 4 in my honest opinion.

 

[DMan]

The gen 5 will be hard pressed to get a 1.5 60' helping it get to the 10s due to the very tall first gear that's in it now. This is why the car
Bogged so much yesterday no matter how hard it was launched to the point where the clutch was really getting smoked and weak. It was
Great to see the car there in real world and not magazine testing. What we all seem to forget its only 40 more HP than the gen 4 and a
Much lower first gear so we can't really expect much more in the quarter than the gen 4 in my honest opinion.

Not sure what you're saying. Going from a 3.07 to a 3.55 rear is good for 3 tenths in the quarter. I've done a 3.08 swap to a 3.55 and saw .30 quicker times. 40 HP is good for at least 2-3mph and .1-.4 secs depending on traction. The 3.55 is a perfect drag gear, shorter and you can have traction issues, taller and like a gen3/4 you're winding up a bit slow. The gen5 is way more tuned for better quarter mile performance than the gen4, with gen4s at 128 all day, gen5 should be an easy 130mph. The 11.1 sounds good to me, depending on how well prepped the track was and the driving, that time shouldn't be dissed, granted the DR is a cheat, affording way more traction than stock.

 

[FikseGTS]

yes, the tire on the car is taller than stock, making the gearing even longer and more difficult to come out hard and keep the bog away.... the car is bogging down after the 60'..

we have a 26" set of hoosier radials ready to go would will be MUCH better, considerbly dropping the gearing, allowing us come out with less/maybe no bog, and to get into 4th gear quicker to get to those 130 MPH traps the car is capable of... the traps are low because we are have to shift near the end.... the car had 2,500 miles on it, and the clutch is tired, still working on if we are going to give it another go...

I think we can do very well and get into the 10's on a set of stock sized Pilot Cup Sports, I was pulling 1.70's in my 2008 ACR with those tires....

The new Gen V is an amazing car, interior is top notch, I welcome the new tech inside, we'll have some articles and videos posted, still sifting through data, SRT had video crew there all day as well... We just had the SRT Viper TA released, now comes the SRT Viper DA (Drag Attack)! Special thanks the SRT team for providing the Viper!

and yes my McLaren is stock! It ran 10.5 @ 134.5 on the factory tires, and 10.3 @ 134.97 on the R888's, and I overshot on those tires, it doesn't need them to run 10.3....

With the MT DR (27.5" dia), the 3.55's are close to a Gen2 on 3.07's. I have 3.55's in my Gen2 and that is one reason (lowers effective ratio) I don't like a tall tire. I think 18" hoosiers are a better choice at 26.2" diameter.

I am guessing on the MT DR (345 X 18) size, but, that seems the most common for our cars. If they used the 305 X 19, that tire is 27.9, which is even taller. The 18" tire does require an ebrake relocator. The 345 X 18 actually rubs a little on my Gen 2. On my car I had to smooth out the wheel well liner to get a litle clearance.

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[robiferretti]

Mclaren is the hardest launching stock RWD i've ever driven. Straight grips and goes with virtually zero wheel spin and every available horsepower put to the ground. It may have something similar to racelogic traction control built into the computer.

 

[challenger&viper]

I think you should have used 19" nitto radials instead of the 18" M/T dradials.

Did you have the traction controll on or off when you made the runs ???

 

[TrackAire]

On the Gen 5's, do you need to do an emergency brake relocation kit to fit the 18" rims?

Cheers,
George

 

[Jack B]

Politely said, the nittos are not in the same class

I think you should have used 19" nitto radials instead of the 18" M/T dradials. Did you have the traction controll on or off when you made the runs ???

 

[Jack B]

[Srt told me yesQUOTE=TrackAire;3170065]On the Gen 5's, do you need to do an emergency brake relocation kit to fit the 18" rims?Cheers,George[/QUOTE]

 

[Viper Grenade]

MPH seems a bit low for 640bhp. I would think a 10.90@130 would be do-able on a MT ET Street. It was 70 deg after all, not like it was really hot or cold, that's a great temp to be Drag Racing. Looks like it needed more RPM and less clutch slip at launch. It doesn't look like the throttle was being fed as the clutch was engaged.

 

[FLL-B/W-GTS]

I ran the McLaren 3 times with my 911 Turbo S,my car is running 10.80s,bone stock. I would pull the McLaren hard out of the hole with Launch Control/AWD and the turbos at full boost off the line, but by the end of the track the McLaren comes flying by.That car is insane and it is stock ad did do have drag radials. ...

 

[FLL-B/W-GTS]

McLaren did not have drag radials...

 

[Bobpantax]

Actually, by nine AM it was 74 degrees and by noon it was over 80 degrees without considering the effect of the track and pavement heating up. The humidity was over 60% even in the morning. You may have noticed the threatening clouds that were to the west during parts of the day. As for clutch slip, Brooks made many runs trying different approaches. I thought that he did a great job getting an 11.1 out of a car that he had never driven before at the strip.

MPH seems a bit low for 640bhp. I would think a 10.90@130 would be do-able on a MT ET Street. It was 70 deg after all, not like it was really hot or cold, that's a great temp to be Drag Racing. Looks like it needed more RPM and less clutch slip at launch. It doesn't look like the throttle was being fed as the clutch was engaged.

 

[utahviper]

I ran the McLaren 3 times with my 911 Turbo S,my car is running 10.80s,bone stock. I would pull the McLaren hard out of the hole with Launch Control/AWD and the turbos at full boost off the line, but by the end of the track the McLaren comes flying by.That car is insane and it is stock ad did do have drag radials. ...

If the air and track were not that good then why is a bone stock 911 doing exactly what they always post up? The viper would have lost to a 458 and a 911 that day with MT drag radials. Not a stellar showing for the snake. It should be in the high tens at 130+mph to be competitive in this current market of performance cars.

 

[Kraaken]

LOL SRT8 jeep took the cake For the day. That thing was BADDD granted it had a lot done, very impressive

 

[SADVIPER]

how old r u policiy limits?

 

[Jack B]

Relax - for a first attrmpt that was not bad. The only question is why hp was down, that trap mph is off and it is not gearing

If the air and track were not that good then why is a bone stock 911 doing exactly what they always post up? The viper would have lost to a 458 and a 911 that day with MT drag radials. Not a stellar showing for the snake. It should be in the high tens at 130+mph to be competitive in this current market of performance cars.[/Qquestion

 

[V10TT]

MPH on the gen V is WEAK.

 

[ringram]

The mac forum had a post from a guy stating a 10.37 quarter with R888 tires, lunch control and everything else stock. I think 0-60 was in the 2.7 range.
So crazy fast yes. But slower around Laguna.... strange..

 

[SnakeBitten]

Regardless of the excuses I've heard I agree with all that think the mph is suspect. Maybe it's because of the taller tires, maybe it's because of this or that. The bottom line is the car with lighter weight, better gearing, more power etc than the Gen IV. So when the right owners get em to a properly prepped drag strip I'd expect to see at least a 10.8 @ 133mph at least. Still behind the competition but at least in the ballpark.

I don't buy the "it's not a drag car" excuse for lackluster mph because neither is the ZR1, Mclaren, 458 Italian etc but they seem to put the power down much better than the Viper. Too bad SRT's much hyped LCD is not yet in the same league as these other RWD cars.

I purposely left out the AWD cars but they are not drag cars either. The viper used to be good at everything and it still is but the competition is just better in this arena nowadays.

 

[Stealth]

A Gen V on stock tires in the 1/4 mi. should be 132+ mph for any significant change from Gen IV (other than the Gen II looks and fine Corinthinian leather of course!). Maybe the Gen V car that ran was underpowered for some reason?

 

[Bobpantax]

Guys. The Gen V Viper was hot lapped almost all day while Brooks was learning the car. That is the reason for the power loss - heat soak.

The track prep was excellent. This was at a private track rental. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy - particularly if you weren't there. Brooks did a good job with a car he had never driven before. Since when is an 11.1 with a heat soaked engine on a warm, somewhat humid day a bad result? Comparing the Viper's results to other car results where the car made a few cooled down runs is apples and oranges.

 

[Jack B]

Well said - do you know what the clutch issue was. Those times were fine.

Guys. The Gen V Viper was hot lapped almost all day while Brooks was learning the car. That is the reason for the power loss - heat soak.The track prep was excellent. This was at a private track rental. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy - particularly if you weren't there. Brooks did a good job with a car he had never driven before. Since when is an 11.1 with a heat soaked engine on a warm, somewhat humid day a bad result? Comparing the Viper's results to other car results where the car made a few cooled down runs is apples and oranges.[/QUO

 

[Bobpantax]

The ZR1's suspension allows it to sit and squat for drag racing. The ZR1 is not really a road course car due to heat soak notwithstanding its results at LS. In a full road course race, the ZR1 cannot hold a candle to the Viper. That is why the Corvette team uses a high performance version of the Z06.

The other two cars you metion cost more than twice as much. Let's be reasonable here. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The Viper SRT variant - the one at issue here - is clearly the best bang for the buck and will beat both cars you mention in a road race even with its inexpensive technology.

Regardless of the excuses I've heard I agree with all that think the mph is suspect. Maybe it's because of the taller tires, maybe it's because of this or that. The bottom line is the car with lighter weight, better gearing, more power etc than the Gen IV. So when the right owners get em to a properly prepped drag strip I'd expect to see at least a 10.8 @ 133mph at least. Still behind the competition but at least in the ballpark.

I don't buy the "it's not a drag car" excuse for lackluster mph because neither is the ZR1, Mclaren, 458 Italian etc but they seem to put the power down much better than the Viper. Too bad SRT's much hyped LCD is not yet in the same league as these other RWD cars.

I purposely left out the AWD cars but they are not drag cars either. The viper used to be good at everything and it still is but the competition is just better in this arena nowadays.