GraphiteGTS
Enthusiast
What cars under $100K are faster than a Viper in the quarter?
FASTER THAN A VIPER
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GraphiteGTS
Enthusiast
You could get a Mustang II w/a 460? That's new information to me.
Joe Dozzo
Enthusiast
GraphiteGTS,
He's pulling your chain! Mustang II's never saw a 460 - not from the factory... In fact, darned few Mustang II's even had 5.0L (302CID) V8's. Most were pretty pukey 4's or 6's.
To tell the truth, I'd be afraid to ride in - let alone drive hard - a $6000 Mustang II with a 460. Talk about looooowwwww budget...
He's pulling your chain! Mustang II's never saw a 460 - not from the factory... In fact, darned few Mustang II's even had 5.0L (302CID) V8's. Most were pretty pukey 4's or 6's.
To tell the truth, I'd be afraid to ride in - let alone drive hard - a $6000 Mustang II with a 460. Talk about looooowwwww budget...
LIRacer
Viper Owner
A 1970 Chevelle LS6 will edge out a Viper...or a 1967-1969 L88 Vette .... or a COPO 427 Camaro ...
CROM
Viper Owner
Be more specific here. What car purchased new from the factory, or what car can be "built" for under 100k? Does it need to be street legal, and I use the term street legal loosely. If option B is the case, it would be hard to beat say a recently purcahsed GTS for 50k with a fully built motor and a monster twin turbo kit (roughly 50k).
I don't believe there is a NEW car under 100k out there that can beat the SRT in the quarter.
I don't believe there is a NEW car under 100k out there that can beat the SRT in the quarter.
GraphiteGTS
Enthusiast
So we're saying there is no new stock car under 100K that will take a stock Viper?
So, how much does a guy have to spend to whoop a Viper in the quarter and what kind of car would that be? Ford GT?
Ferrari? Merc AMG?
So, how much does a guy have to spend to whoop a Viper in the quarter and what kind of car would that be? Ford GT?
Ferrari? Merc AMG?
CROM
Viper Owner
Can't think of one
I can take a 1500 dollar civic, put 10000 in to it and hand an SRT its ass at the track on slicks or from a 3rd gear roll on the highway. You can make anything fast, but you can't make just any car look like a Viper. A ferarri, Merc AMG, or a Ford GT would not be an economical way of trying to beat a viper. Take a 2003 Cobra, upgrade the exhaust, pulley, and put a nitrous kit on it and you're talking bus lengths on a viper in a race.
GraphiteGTS
Enthusiast
I'm talkin' a new, stock 2004 auto. No mods.
garolittle
Enthusiast
The answer is "none".
ACR_Metallic
Enthusiast
Nothing beats a Viper.
JimDavis MT 97GTS 650R
Enthusiast
Try not to flip, but I thought I might throw in the Lotus Elise. 13.6 1/4 mile and a 0-60 in 4.7 sec.... all this from a 190 HP 1500 lb little bomb that cost about 1/3 the cost of a Viper new! What, not fast enough? Try chasing one on a twisty road. (JD)
Hisserman
Enthusiast
Jim's right about the Elise and don't forget the Noble. You can get a Noble for under $100,000 that would give a Viper a handful, both on a dragstrip and a road course. It's still not a Viper though!
BACKNBLACK
Enthusiast
Actually the fastest 1/4 mile American car is the Viper. I have no clue what the GT 40 will be doing but all say it will be quicker
Bill B
Enthusiast
I didn't want to be the first to play the Elise card, thanks Jim.
Ron
Enthusiast
LIRacer,
Sorry, but your dreaming.....
50 FASTEST MUSCLECARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS GEAR SOURCE
1 1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65
2 1966 Corvette 427 12.8@112 L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.36 CD 11/65
3 1969 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 4-Speed 4.10 SS 6/69
4 1970 Hemi Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/69
5 1970 Chevelle SS454 [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.55 CC 11/69
6 1969 Camaro [email protected] 427 ZL1 430 4-Speed 4.10 HC 6/69
7 1968 Corvette 13.30@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.70 HC 5/68
8 1970 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69
9 1970 Buick GS Stage I [email protected] 455 Stage I 360 automatic 3.64 MT 1/70
10 1968 Corvette 427 [email protected] L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.55 CD 6/68
11 1969 Charger 500 13.48@109 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 4.10 HR 2/69
12 1968 Charger 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.23 CD 11/67
12 1970 Plymouth Superbird 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 ? ? ?
14 1968 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.55 CD 1/69
15 1973 Trans Am [email protected] 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73
16 1969 Corvette [email protected] 427 L88 430 automatic 3.36 HR 4/69
17 1969 Super Bee [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 4.10 HR 8/69
18 1969 Boss 429 Mustang 13.60@106 Boss 429 375 4-Speed 3.91 HC 9/69
19 1970 Challenger R/T [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 3.23 CC 11/69
20 1970 Torino Cobra [email protected] 429 SCJ 370 automatic 3.91 SS 3/70
21 1968 Biscayne 13.65@105 427 L72 425 4-Speed 4.56 SS 4/68
22 1964 Polara 500 [email protected] 426 4V 365 4-Speed 3.23 HC 2/64
23 1969 GTX [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 MT 1/69
24 1969 Dart 440 13.71@105 440 4V 375 automatic 3.55 CC 5/69
25 1971 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CC 1/71
26 1971 Cuda 13.72@106 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 SS 4/71
27 1971 Corvette [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.36 CL 8/71
28 1971 Super Bee 13.73@104 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70
29 1968 Hurst/Olds [email protected] 455 W-30 390 automatic 3.91 SS 8/68
30 1970 Hemi 'Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 9/69
31 1968 Firebird 13.79@106 400 ** 335 4-Speed N/A HR 3/68
32 1967 Corvette 13.80@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.55 HR 5/67
33 1965 Catalina 13.80@106 421 6V ? 4-Speed 3.42 CD 3/65
34 1969 Super Bee Six Pack [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CD 7/69
35 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 13.80@104 Boss 351 330 4-Speed 3.91 MT 1/71
36 1966 Satellite 13.81@104 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CD 4/66
37 1969 Coronet R/T [email protected] 440 4V 375 4-Speed 4.10 SS 4/69
38 1968 Cyclone GT [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 8/68
39 1969 Nova SS 396 [email protected] 396 4V 375 automatic 3.55 HR 7/69
40 1969 Shelby GT-500 [email protected] 428 CJ 335 4-Speed 3.91 SS 9/69
41 1969 Cyclone Cobra Jet [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 1/69
42 1970 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 [email protected] 455 W-30 370 automatic 3.42 CC 11/69
43 1962 Corvette [email protected] 327 FI 360 4-Speed 4.10 HR 1/62
44 1969 Barracuda [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 SS 8/69
45 1962 Catalina 13.90@107 421 4V ? 4-Speed 4.30 MT 5/62
46 1969 Mustang Mach I [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 3.50 CL 3/69
47 1967 GTO [email protected] 400 RA 360 automatic 4.33 CL 10/67
48 1970 Trans Am 13.90@102 400 RA 345 4-Speed 3.91 HR 2/70
49 1970 Torino Cobra 13.99@101 429 4V ? 4-Speed 3.91 MT 2/70
Legend: CC=Car Craft, CD=Car and Driver, CL=Car Life, HC=Hi Performance Cars, HR=Hot Rod, MCR=Muscle Car Review, MM=Mopar Muscle, MT=Motor Trend, SS=Super Stock
FASTEST MODERN DOMESTIC CARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS SOURCE
1 1997 Viper GTS 12.05@116 V10 450 6-Speed MM 8/97
2 2002 Corvette Z06 [email protected] LS6 350 405 6-Speed MT 2/02
3 1990 ZR1 Corvette [email protected] LT5 350 375 6-Speed MT 4/90
4 1997 Hurst/Firebird [email protected] 350 350 automatic MCR 4/97
5 1992 Viper RT/10 13.1@108 488 V10 400 6-Speed CD 7/92
6 1995 ZR1 Corvette [email protected] LT5 350 405 6-Speed MT 8/95
7 2001 Corvette Coupe [email protected] LS1 350 350 6-Speed MT 3/01
8 1997 Corvette [email protected] 350 LS-1 345 6-Speed MT 5/97
9 1997 SLP Camaro SS [email protected] 350 LT4 330 6-Speed MT 2/97
10 1990 Pontiac Firehawk 13.20@107 350 350 6-Speed CD 6/91
11 1996 Camaro Z28 SS [email protected] 350 LT-1 310 6-Speed MCR F/M 96
12 2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 [email protected] 350 LS1 325 6-Speed MT 12/99
13 2002 Camaro Z28 SS [email protected] 350 LS1 325 6-Speed MT 12/01
14 1995 Mustang Cobra R [email protected] 351 300 5-Speed MCR A/S 95
15 1996 Corvette GS [email protected] 350 LT-4 330 6-Speed RT 2/96
16 1987 Buick GNX 13.70@102 231 Turbo V6 300 automatic HR 4/87
17 2001 SVT Mustang Cobra [email protected] 4.6L V8 320 5-Speed MT 12/01
Imports
For comparison sake, here are a few import 1/4 mile times. Note: Only cars with MSRPs less than $50,000 are on the list, so no exotics.
FASTEST IMPORT CARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS SOURCE
1 2001 BMW M Roadster [email protected] 3.2 I6 315 5-Speed MT 4/02
2 2001 BMW M3 Coupe [email protected] 3.2 I6 333 6-Speed MT 8/01
3 1993 Toyota Supra Turbo 13.4 3.0 V6 Turbo 320 - -
4 1995 Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR-4 13.5 3.0 V6 Turbo 320 - -
5 2000 Honda S2000 [email protected] 2.0 I4 240 6-Speed MT 2/00
6 1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 13.9 3.0 V6 Turbo - - -
7 1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 13.9 - - - -
8 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX [email protected] 2.0 F4 Turbo 227 5-Speed MT 1/02
9 1995 Toyota MR2 Turbo 14.8 - - - -
10 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 14.9 2.0 I4 Turbo - - -
11 2002 Acura RSX Type S [email protected] 2.0 I4 200 6-Speed MT 1/02
11 1994 Honda Prelude VTEC 15.1 @ 93 2.2 I4 190 5-Speed CD 6/94
13 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS Spyder [email protected] 3.0 V6 210 5-Speed MT 4/02
14 1997 Acura Integra Type R 15.2 1.8 I4 190 5-Speed -
15 2002 Audi A4 Quattro 15.3 3.0 V6 220 6-Speed MT 2/02
16 1997 Acura Integra GS-R 15.5 1.8 I4 170 5-Speed -
17 2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V [email protected] 2.0 I4 175 6-Speed MT 4/02
18 1999 Honda Civic Si 15.7 1.6 I4 160 5-Speed -
Sorry, but your dreaming.....
50 FASTEST MUSCLECARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS GEAR SOURCE
1 1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65
2 1966 Corvette 427 12.8@112 L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.36 CD 11/65
3 1969 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 4-Speed 4.10 SS 6/69
4 1970 Hemi Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/69
5 1970 Chevelle SS454 [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.55 CC 11/69
6 1969 Camaro [email protected] 427 ZL1 430 4-Speed 4.10 HC 6/69
7 1968 Corvette 13.30@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.70 HC 5/68
8 1970 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69
9 1970 Buick GS Stage I [email protected] 455 Stage I 360 automatic 3.64 MT 1/70
10 1968 Corvette 427 [email protected] L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.55 CD 6/68
11 1969 Charger 500 13.48@109 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 4.10 HR 2/69
12 1968 Charger 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.23 CD 11/67
12 1970 Plymouth Superbird 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 ? ? ?
14 1968 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.55 CD 1/69
15 1973 Trans Am [email protected] 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73
16 1969 Corvette [email protected] 427 L88 430 automatic 3.36 HR 4/69
17 1969 Super Bee [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 4.10 HR 8/69
18 1969 Boss 429 Mustang 13.60@106 Boss 429 375 4-Speed 3.91 HC 9/69
19 1970 Challenger R/T [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 3.23 CC 11/69
20 1970 Torino Cobra [email protected] 429 SCJ 370 automatic 3.91 SS 3/70
21 1968 Biscayne 13.65@105 427 L72 425 4-Speed 4.56 SS 4/68
22 1964 Polara 500 [email protected] 426 4V 365 4-Speed 3.23 HC 2/64
23 1969 GTX [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 MT 1/69
24 1969 Dart 440 13.71@105 440 4V 375 automatic 3.55 CC 5/69
25 1971 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CC 1/71
26 1971 Cuda 13.72@106 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 SS 4/71
27 1971 Corvette [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.36 CL 8/71
28 1971 Super Bee 13.73@104 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70
29 1968 Hurst/Olds [email protected] 455 W-30 390 automatic 3.91 SS 8/68
30 1970 Hemi 'Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 9/69
31 1968 Firebird 13.79@106 400 ** 335 4-Speed N/A HR 3/68
32 1967 Corvette 13.80@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.55 HR 5/67
33 1965 Catalina 13.80@106 421 6V ? 4-Speed 3.42 CD 3/65
34 1969 Super Bee Six Pack [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CD 7/69
35 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 13.80@104 Boss 351 330 4-Speed 3.91 MT 1/71
36 1966 Satellite 13.81@104 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CD 4/66
37 1969 Coronet R/T [email protected] 440 4V 375 4-Speed 4.10 SS 4/69
38 1968 Cyclone GT [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 8/68
39 1969 Nova SS 396 [email protected] 396 4V 375 automatic 3.55 HR 7/69
40 1969 Shelby GT-500 [email protected] 428 CJ 335 4-Speed 3.91 SS 9/69
41 1969 Cyclone Cobra Jet [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 1/69
42 1970 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 [email protected] 455 W-30 370 automatic 3.42 CC 11/69
43 1962 Corvette [email protected] 327 FI 360 4-Speed 4.10 HR 1/62
44 1969 Barracuda [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 SS 8/69
45 1962 Catalina 13.90@107 421 4V ? 4-Speed 4.30 MT 5/62
46 1969 Mustang Mach I [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 3.50 CL 3/69
47 1967 GTO [email protected] 400 RA 360 automatic 4.33 CL 10/67
48 1970 Trans Am 13.90@102 400 RA 345 4-Speed 3.91 HR 2/70
49 1970 Torino Cobra 13.99@101 429 4V ? 4-Speed 3.91 MT 2/70
Legend: CC=Car Craft, CD=Car and Driver, CL=Car Life, HC=Hi Performance Cars, HR=Hot Rod, MCR=Muscle Car Review, MM=Mopar Muscle, MT=Motor Trend, SS=Super Stock
FASTEST MODERN DOMESTIC CARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS SOURCE
1 1997 Viper GTS 12.05@116 V10 450 6-Speed MM 8/97
2 2002 Corvette Z06 [email protected] LS6 350 405 6-Speed MT 2/02
3 1990 ZR1 Corvette [email protected] LT5 350 375 6-Speed MT 4/90
4 1997 Hurst/Firebird [email protected] 350 350 automatic MCR 4/97
5 1992 Viper RT/10 13.1@108 488 V10 400 6-Speed CD 7/92
6 1995 ZR1 Corvette [email protected] LT5 350 405 6-Speed MT 8/95
7 2001 Corvette Coupe [email protected] LS1 350 350 6-Speed MT 3/01
8 1997 Corvette [email protected] 350 LS-1 345 6-Speed MT 5/97
9 1997 SLP Camaro SS [email protected] 350 LT4 330 6-Speed MT 2/97
10 1990 Pontiac Firehawk 13.20@107 350 350 6-Speed CD 6/91
11 1996 Camaro Z28 SS [email protected] 350 LT-1 310 6-Speed MCR F/M 96
12 2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 [email protected] 350 LS1 325 6-Speed MT 12/99
13 2002 Camaro Z28 SS [email protected] 350 LS1 325 6-Speed MT 12/01
14 1995 Mustang Cobra R [email protected] 351 300 5-Speed MCR A/S 95
15 1996 Corvette GS [email protected] 350 LT-4 330 6-Speed RT 2/96
16 1987 Buick GNX 13.70@102 231 Turbo V6 300 automatic HR 4/87
17 2001 SVT Mustang Cobra [email protected] 4.6L V8 320 5-Speed MT 12/01
Imports
For comparison sake, here are a few import 1/4 mile times. Note: Only cars with MSRPs less than $50,000 are on the list, so no exotics.
FASTEST IMPORT CARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS SOURCE
1 2001 BMW M Roadster [email protected] 3.2 I6 315 5-Speed MT 4/02
2 2001 BMW M3 Coupe [email protected] 3.2 I6 333 6-Speed MT 8/01
3 1993 Toyota Supra Turbo 13.4 3.0 V6 Turbo 320 - -
4 1995 Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR-4 13.5 3.0 V6 Turbo 320 - -
5 2000 Honda S2000 [email protected] 2.0 I4 240 6-Speed MT 2/00
6 1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 13.9 3.0 V6 Turbo - - -
7 1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 13.9 - - - -
8 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX [email protected] 2.0 F4 Turbo 227 5-Speed MT 1/02
9 1995 Toyota MR2 Turbo 14.8 - - - -
10 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 14.9 2.0 I4 Turbo - - -
11 2002 Acura RSX Type S [email protected] 2.0 I4 200 6-Speed MT 1/02
11 1994 Honda Prelude VTEC 15.1 @ 93 2.2 I4 190 5-Speed CD 6/94
13 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS Spyder [email protected] 3.0 V6 210 5-Speed MT 4/02
14 1997 Acura Integra Type R 15.2 1.8 I4 190 5-Speed -
15 2002 Audi A4 Quattro 15.3 3.0 V6 220 6-Speed MT 2/02
16 1997 Acura Integra GS-R 15.5 1.8 I4 170 5-Speed -
17 2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V [email protected] 2.0 I4 175 6-Speed MT 4/02
18 1999 Honda Civic Si 15.7 1.6 I4 160 5-Speed -
RSNAKE
Viper Owner
Stock, production (sold by an OEM in the USA), same driver skill, 1/4 mile only, etc.
Depending on which test I have read, the Viper (Gen II and SRT) are basically dead even with a Ford GT
The only things that I have seen that will beat a Viper in the 1/4 are much more than $100K.
Ferrai Enzo 11.1@133 $643K
Porsche Carrera GT 11.3@131 $440k
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren? $430k
Mercedes-Benz SL600 11.9@? $137k (should be close, depends on times you read for a Viper)
Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG ?@? $? (not on sale in US yet, but will be soon)
Saleen S7 11.6@? $402k
Pagani Zonda C12S ?@? $? (not sure if on sale non-grey market in US)
Non-OEM cars that can be bought new, there are probably too many to list, Noble M12, Ultima GTR, some Cobra kits, etc. Many many modified cars would beat it for much much less money. Also, many motorcycles would beat it in the 1/4 for a lot less.
An Elise would not come close to a Viper in the 1/4 but should be close on a tight road course. The June 2004 issue of Automobile Magazine actually tests the SRT-10, Noble M12, Lotus Elise (US spec) and several other great cars on a track together. The Viper beat the Elise around Barber Mostorsports Park.
Times:
Viper 1:45.3
Elise 1:46.9
Cars beating the Viper at that track were:
Porsche 911 GT3 1:44.1
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale 1:42.8
Noble M12 GTO-3R 1:42.0
Caterham Super Seven Superlight R 1:41.7
Depending on which test I have read, the Viper (Gen II and SRT) are basically dead even with a Ford GT
The only things that I have seen that will beat a Viper in the 1/4 are much more than $100K.
Ferrai Enzo 11.1@133 $643K
Porsche Carrera GT 11.3@131 $440k
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren? $430k
Mercedes-Benz SL600 11.9@? $137k (should be close, depends on times you read for a Viper)
Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG ?@? $? (not on sale in US yet, but will be soon)
Saleen S7 11.6@? $402k
Pagani Zonda C12S ?@? $? (not sure if on sale non-grey market in US)
Non-OEM cars that can be bought new, there are probably too many to list, Noble M12, Ultima GTR, some Cobra kits, etc. Many many modified cars would beat it for much much less money. Also, many motorcycles would beat it in the 1/4 for a lot less.
An Elise would not come close to a Viper in the 1/4 but should be close on a tight road course. The June 2004 issue of Automobile Magazine actually tests the SRT-10, Noble M12, Lotus Elise (US spec) and several other great cars on a track together. The Viper beat the Elise around Barber Mostorsports Park.
Times:
Viper 1:45.3
Elise 1:46.9
Cars beating the Viper at that track were:
Porsche 911 GT3 1:44.1
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale 1:42.8
Noble M12 GTO-3R 1:42.0
Caterham Super Seven Superlight R 1:41.7
Ron
Enthusiast
P.S. It was a cut and paste. No way I'd type all that crap in.....
Gerald Levin
Viper Owner
I use to be a vette fanatic and always heard about the 67-69 L88's that were so powerful with HP's that were advertised as being 100-150 HP less than actual HP. Many stories floating around how many of these L88's were driven off the lot and immediately wrecked due to the awesome power. BUT, as Ron so eloquently pointed out about and I've read it before, the Viper smokes the L88! Just shows how awesome these cars really are.
Viperguynick
Enthusiast
Gerald, keep in mind though that all the times in that list are stock cars from their time periods which means that basically all of the musclecars were tested on POLYGLASS tires. There is no way that you could hook up all that hp without radials. slap some new age rubber on those cars and it would be CLOSE.
-Nick-
-Nick-
onerareviper
Enthusiast
Oh yeah....
The Federalized (US) Lotus Elise weighs about 2,000 pounds, not 1,500. And the only way this car is pulling a 13.6 1/4 or 4.7 to 60 is with a 87 pound driver and no passenger (I DON'T CARE WHAT THE MAGS SAY). How do I know? I drove one... They are not fast, but do handle great. The feedback the cars gives through the wheel and seat is unreal (Like a freak'in go cart). They are soooooo small though, you feel really uneasy rolling past a Suburban or 18 wheeler. And they are EXTREMELY uncomfortable to enter/exit. Basically a fun little track car that makes a poor street car, IMO.
The Federalized (US) Lotus Elise weighs about 2,000 pounds, not 1,500. And the only way this car is pulling a 13.6 1/4 or 4.7 to 60 is with a 87 pound driver and no passenger (I DON'T CARE WHAT THE MAGS SAY). How do I know? I drove one... They are not fast, but do handle great. The feedback the cars gives through the wheel and seat is unreal (Like a freak'in go cart). They are soooooo small though, you feel really uneasy rolling past a Suburban or 18 wheeler. And they are EXTREMELY uncomfortable to enter/exit. Basically a fun little track car that makes a poor street car, IMO.
Snakester
Enthusiast
Even updated with modern rubber, many of the classic musclecars are still not as quick (without major mods) as the Viper. There are of course rumors about the ZL-1 Corvettes, which were supposed to run mid 11s, but there were only 2 cars built, and the faster runs were done with full drag slicks and an open exhaust.
Plus I'd never really consider any car with under 250 built a "production" car.
http://www.geocities.com/tbake35/gnfiles/Articles/musclecar.htm
Both the $300K Lambo Murcielago and $150K Ford GT are very close to the performance of the SRT-10 Viper.
The Ford GT may get extra power tweaking to make the production models quicker than the early test cars.
That SL600 was an odd test because 3 other magazine tests put the SL600 around 12.4@117MPH (still impressive), except for that one test which might have used drag radials or had special track prep. Still The $150K++ SL65 might be quicker than the Viper when it comes out with a much more powerful tweaked version of the SL600's engine, meatier rubber, and more aggressive tuning.
The C6 Z06 Corvette should be out in about a year or so, and it promises to be quicker than the current SRT-10 Viper, and for less money.
But unless DC is asleep at the wheel, they will build an even more powerful Viper to compete against the best that the world has to offer.
-Dean.
Plus I'd never really consider any car with under 250 built a "production" car.
http://www.geocities.com/tbake35/gnfiles/Articles/musclecar.htm
Both the $300K Lambo Murcielago and $150K Ford GT are very close to the performance of the SRT-10 Viper.
The Ford GT may get extra power tweaking to make the production models quicker than the early test cars.
That SL600 was an odd test because 3 other magazine tests put the SL600 around 12.4@117MPH (still impressive), except for that one test which might have used drag radials or had special track prep. Still The $150K++ SL65 might be quicker than the Viper when it comes out with a much more powerful tweaked version of the SL600's engine, meatier rubber, and more aggressive tuning.
The C6 Z06 Corvette should be out in about a year or so, and it promises to be quicker than the current SRT-10 Viper, and for less money.
But unless DC is asleep at the wheel, they will build an even more powerful Viper to compete against the best that the world has to offer.
-Dean.
LIRacer
Viper Owner
Ron,
I am not dreaming. Take an L88 in stock form today and put modern tires on it and it will beat a Viper. And comapred to it's peers of it's age, the L88 is much more car. I would think that an tri power 427, a 426 HEMI Cuda, and an LS6 with similar upgrades would beat a stock Viper in a straight line. Also, givien tha fact they cost about $4,000 new makes them truely incredible machines. I agree that nothing made today can beat the Viper for twice the price.
I am not dreaming. Take an L88 in stock form today and put modern tires on it and it will beat a Viper. And comapred to it's peers of it's age, the L88 is much more car. I would think that an tri power 427, a 426 HEMI Cuda, and an LS6 with similar upgrades would beat a stock Viper in a straight line. Also, givien tha fact they cost about $4,000 new makes them truely incredible machines. I agree that nothing made today can beat the Viper for twice the price.
LIRacer
Viper Owner
One more that I forgot .... Motion Performance Camaro was sold through Chevy dealers with a nirmal warranty. The later ones from 69 were only COPO Camaros. They were gurateed to run mid 11s.
joe117
Enthusiast
The superfast L-88 raises its head again.
Problem is, all the tests from the period show the car to be slow compared to a modern Vette.
The tires of the day might be a reason for the magazine article test times to be so poor.
The other reason might simply be that the cars were very much myth and little reality.
How many L-88 Vettes were ever made? Not many.
The L-88 was a high compression carburated 427. It probably had 500 hp or so. It didn't have anything going for it that would make it a bunch more power than the SRT-10.
L-88 powerful, yes. Superpower, no.
Before we hear the story about how fast your uncle's friend's L-88 was, or the story about GM not wanting to sell any L-88s cuz they had so much power,
remember this.
Every time we have this conversation, people chime in with all kinds of crud that can't be supported by any of the contemporary data.
Sure, the 60s car would be faster with y2k tires. Well, the modern car would be faster with 12:1 compression too.
The old street monsters were fastest in our memory of them.
Problem is, all the tests from the period show the car to be slow compared to a modern Vette.
The tires of the day might be a reason for the magazine article test times to be so poor.
The other reason might simply be that the cars were very much myth and little reality.
How many L-88 Vettes were ever made? Not many.
The L-88 was a high compression carburated 427. It probably had 500 hp or so. It didn't have anything going for it that would make it a bunch more power than the SRT-10.
L-88 powerful, yes. Superpower, no.
Before we hear the story about how fast your uncle's friend's L-88 was, or the story about GM not wanting to sell any L-88s cuz they had so much power,
remember this.
Every time we have this conversation, people chime in with all kinds of crud that can't be supported by any of the contemporary data.
Sure, the 60s car would be faster with y2k tires. Well, the modern car would be faster with 12:1 compression too.
The old street monsters were fastest in our memory of them.
